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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #600 on: December 09, 2010, 02:50:29 PM »
You have kinda failed to prove that ability damage is instantaneous. But yeah, whatever works for you.
It's temporary in the same sense that HP damage is temporary. It is eventually naturally healed but it doesn't "wear off"
In general, it is so. In the spell, it's different. Or it's a typo. Or sloppy editing. Hard to tell. RAW... it should wear off

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #601 on: December 09, 2010, 02:57:55 PM »
You have kinda failed to prove that ability damage is instantaneous. But yeah, whatever works for you.
It's temporary in the same sense that HP damage is temporary. It is eventually naturally healed but it doesn't "wear off"
In general, it is so. In the spell, it's different. Or it's a typo. Or sloppy editing. Hard to tell. RAW... it should wear off

You mean Rules As You Want To Read Them, it should wear off.

RAW, the spell has a duration, but the duration isn't connected to anything.  It would be at least as accurate as your interpretation to say that for the duration, you can make touch attacks that deal the indicated damage, which could be pretty hilarious for a swiftblade making a full attack.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #602 on: December 09, 2010, 03:02:11 PM »
A193
be a bard with undetectable alignment (or buy a bard to cast it on you, or a wand, or potion, etc)
Great spell, which is also on the Beguiler spell list, which is what I was considering using anyway.  Many thanks!  Not sure how I overlooked a core spell that did exactly what I wanted.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #603 on: December 09, 2010, 03:06:56 PM »
You have kinda failed to prove that ability damage is instantaneous. But yeah, whatever works for you.
It's temporary in the same sense that HP damage is temporary. It is eventually naturally healed but it doesn't "wear off"
In general, it is so. In the spell, it's different. Or it's a typo. Or sloppy editing. Hard to tell. RAW... it should wear off

You mean Rules As You Want To Read Them, it should wear off.

RAW, the spell has a duration, but the duration isn't connected to anything.  It would be at least as accurate as your interpretation to say that for the duration, you can make touch attacks that deal the indicated damage, which could be pretty hilarious for a swiftblade making a full attack.

I prefer to read it as the maximum amount of time you can hold the charge.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #604 on: December 09, 2010, 03:09:06 PM »
Time you can hold the charge works too.  The point is, the duration doesn't mean shit because it's not actually connected to anything. You can say my way is RAW till the cows come home but it's still ambiguous.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #605 on: December 09, 2010, 05:22:36 PM »
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Q 178 Where can I find magic items/gear for mounts? Anyone got a handbook? Preferably horses. And I do mean a full list that's meant just for them. Armor and all. I've seen the ones in MIC, DMG, and SS.

Q 182 Are there any templates to add to a golem that can't be advanced anymore? In particular, add-ons to help give a golem something that WotC forgot to give it? Like spikes, or natural attacks, or a gore attack. I'm referring to the rune golem, which attacks with a basic medium-sized spear (not even a masterwork one), despite the fact that it has tusks and antlers, and has spines all over its body, and is LARGE size. Bravo WotC.

Q 183 If I add two domains and their spells to a creature that don't help it in combat, is that +1 CR each, or just +1 CR?

Q 184 If I use a +1 flaming/frost/shocking/dessicating/holy arrow with a +5 transmuting collision longbow, against a flesh golem, what happens to that arrow come round 2?

Q 195 If a creature is using a spear, has a gore attack, and a tail, and wants to use all of them with no penalty, do you take Multiweapon Fighting, or Multiattack?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #606 on: December 09, 2010, 05:52:50 PM »
Q193:  At only ECL 2, how can a Chaotic Evil PC beat Detect Evil?  (And don't tell me to buy a sheet of lead.)

A193:...take this feat:

Veil of Cyric
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Source: City of Splendors: Waterdeep

You have reconciled yourself to the unfortunate truth that hard decisions and regrettable actions are necessary in the service of your deity. You intrinsically rationalize any nongood act, believing your actions to be just and pure.

Prerequisite: Any evil alignment, not an outsider, cannot worship an evil god.
Benefit: You do not register as evil to detect evil spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities unless the aura power (see the detect evil spell,) of the detector exceeds your own. For example, the aura power of a paladin 7/blackguard 1 is moderate, so a good-aligned cleric would need to be 9th level to detect his evil nature.
Special: This feat provides no benefit against attempts to smite evil or spells such as holy smite or holy word. You are evil, you simply do not register as such to most detect evil attempts.


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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #607 on: December 09, 2010, 05:53:45 PM »
q194: initiate of the draconic mysteries (draconomicon) has the dragon shape ability, allows you to shapechange into a dragon, says "the ability is .... identical to the spell including the HD limitations"... except that you don't have a casterlevel to determine max  :twitch


Anybody an idea how you should determine max hd?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #608 on: December 09, 2010, 06:02:11 PM »
A194 Is it a spell like ability?
A spell-like ability has a caster level. The description of the creature will give its caster level for its spell-like abilities (which, among other things, determines the DC for the caster level check to dispel the ability). If no caster level is given, its caster level is equal to its Hit Dice.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040413a

It's actually a Su:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #609 on: December 09, 2010, 06:10:46 PM »


q194: initiate of the draconic mysteries (draconomicon) has the dragon shape ability, allows you to shapechange into a dragon, says "the ability is .... identical to the spell including the HD limitations"... except that you don't have a casterlevel to determine max  :twitch


Anybody an idea how you should determine max hd?

A194 suplemental:
it is a (SU) ability ... notice:
Quote from: Dracominicon
Dragon Shape (Su): At 10th level, an initiate of the draconic
mysteries gains the ability to use a shapechange ability
once per day to take the form of a dragon, from Tiny to Huge
size, for 1 hour. Once a form is assumed, it cannot be
changed except to return to normal (which dismisses the
effect). The effect is otherwise identical to the shapechange
spell, including the HD limitation of the new form and the
abilities of the form gained.
but since "The effect is otherwise identical to the shapechange
spell, including the HD limitation of the new form" .... Shapechange limits HD of form =Caster level Max .... then notice:

Quote from: SRD
Supernatural: Supernatural abilities are magical and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance. Supernatural abilities cannot be dispelled. Using a supernatural ability is a standard action unless noted otherwise. Supernatural abilities may have a use limit or be usable at will, just like spell-like abilities. However, supernatural abilities do not provoke attacks of opportunity and never require Concentration checks.

thus HD = CL = Max HD of Dragon Form

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #610 on: December 10, 2010, 12:50:05 AM »
Q195:

What are ways to gain knowledge of a spell from another list for a Cleric?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #611 on: December 10, 2010, 01:15:20 AM »
Q195:

What are ways to gain knowledge of a spell from another list for a Cleric?
Divine Magician ACF lets you add any wiz/sorc from Divination, Necromancy, or Abjuration.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #612 on: December 10, 2010, 01:21:12 AM »
Q195:

What are ways to gain knowledge of a spell from another list for a Cleric?
Divine Magician ACF lets you add any wiz/sorc from Divination, Necromancy, or Abjuration.
additionally, there's the Arcane Disciple variant class (drag.mag. 311)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #613 on: December 10, 2010, 01:28:12 AM »
Q 195 If a creature is using a spear, has a gore attack, and a tail, and wants to use all of them with no penalty, do you take Multiweapon Fighting, or Multiattack?
Multiattack AND Improved Multiattack, since the spear is your primary weapon and the gore and tail will be your natural secondaries. Unfortunately, you do not qualify, as you need THREE or more natural attacks to get Multiattack.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #614 on: December 10, 2010, 01:31:23 AM »
Q 195 If a creature is using a spear, has a gore attack, and a tail, and wants to use all of them with no penalty, do you take Multiweapon Fighting, or Multiattack?
Multiattack AND Improved Multiattack, since the spear is your primary weapon and the gore and tail will be your natural secondaries. Unfortunately, you do not qualify, as you need THREE or more natural attacks to get Multiattack.
That's what I figured. He's got a spiked body too, so technically he has third natural attack, he just doesn't have a slam attack to use them, so he uses a spear attack instead.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #615 on: December 10, 2010, 01:34:01 AM »
That's what I figured. He's got a spiked body too, so technically he has third natural attack, he just doesn't have a slam attack to use them, so he uses a spear attack instead.
Unless it is specifically stated in the stat block as an attack option, it doesn't count as it is not a natural attack (the Barbed Devil's barbed body doesn't count, as far as I know).

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #616 on: December 10, 2010, 01:35:21 AM »
That's what I figured. He's got a spiked body too, so technically he has third natural attack, he just doesn't have a slam attack to use them, so he uses a spear attack instead.
Unless it is specifically stated in the stat block as an attack option, it doesn't count as it is not a natural attack (the Barbed Devil's barbed body doesn't count, as far as I know).
Fair enough.

Now, if the tail didn't count as a natural attack either (ie using a feat to give him a tail), would the TWF tree work? One weapon a spear, the other the gore?
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« Reply #617 on: December 10, 2010, 01:37:44 AM »
Fair enough.

Now, if the tail didn't count as a natural attack either (ie using a feat to give him a tail), would the TWF tree work? One weapon a spear, the other the gore?
I suppose, but why?

1. You can't ever get more than one attack from the gore, so Improved TWF and Greater TWF won't work with it.
2. You can already use the gore AND the tail at -5 without the TWF feat, with the spear at full attack.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #618 on: December 10, 2010, 01:38:40 AM »
I suppose, but why?
More curiosity than anything else.
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