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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #440 on: December 04, 2010, 12:09:08 PM »
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If you ever plan on leaving factotum for any reason (multiclassing, PrC, etc.), then you probably want to take Able Learner.
You need to be a human, changeling, or doppleganger to take that though. I won't be any of those.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #441 on: December 04, 2010, 12:21:40 PM »
A155: There's a table in Savage Species about which type takes over. Undead wins over Outsider. Plus, I don't think you qualify for it, anyway.
As a Star Elf, I do. Augmented subtype in srd says you would just be Outsider (Augmented Undead, Augmented Humanoid, Incorporeal).

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #442 on: December 04, 2010, 12:26:31 PM »
A155: There's a table in Savage Species about which type takes over. Undead wins over Outsider. Plus, I don't think you qualify for it, anyway.
As a Star Elf, I do. Augmented subtype in srd says you would just be Outsider (Augmented Undead, Augmented Humanoid, Incorporeal).

Again, look at Savage Species. You can't make an Undead into an Outsider.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #443 on: December 04, 2010, 12:33:02 PM »
A155: There's a table in Savage Species about which type takes over. Undead wins over Outsider. Plus, I don't think you qualify for it, anyway.
As a Star Elf, I do. Augmented subtype in srd says you would just be Outsider (Augmented Undead, Augmented Humanoid, Incorporeal).
No. You'd be Undead (augmented Outsider, Incorporeal).

However, once you take the feat, you can no longer be the target of the template as you have become Outsider (native). Since you have to take the feat at level 1, and Ghost is an acquired template that comes after you die, I would say that the feat has precedence.

It is an invalid combination.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #444 on: December 04, 2010, 12:44:11 PM »
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Q 146 The Phantom in MMV has a vulnerability to ghost touch weapons at +50%. Is there a way around that, or a way to lower that?

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Q 150 What'd be a good feat (other than Able Learner and Font of Inspiration) to take at 1st level for a Factotum? I read the handbook, but it doesn't really say "take this at 1st" anywhere.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #445 on: December 04, 2010, 01:20:20 PM »
kevin, if nobody answers after a bump, chances are there isnt an answer.  There is no way to avoid the Ghost Touch vulnerability, but how many people actually put Ghost Touch on their weapons?  Remember, they need to specifically have that quality.  Being sheathed in Force, under the effects of a spell, or using a Truedeath Augment crystal doesn't cut it.  Some method of all of these are either cheaper or flat-out better than actually using Ghost Touch.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #446 on: December 04, 2010, 01:21:03 PM »

Q 150 What'd be a good feat (other than Able Learner and Font of Inspiration) to take at 1st level for a Factotum? I read the handbook, but it doesn't really say "take this at 1st" anywhere.

A150: Keen intellect from the oriental adventures update is nice, it adds int to will saves and a few skills instead of wisdom, master of poisons(DotU) or darkstalker are also good choices.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #447 on: December 04, 2010, 01:38:05 PM »
I thought Improved Initiative was the default "I'm out of feat ideas and don't want my uninspired feat choice to be a waste" feat.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #448 on: December 04, 2010, 01:39:49 PM »
kevin, if nobody answers after a bump, chances are there isnt an answer.  There is no way to avoid the Ghost Touch vulnerability, but how many people actually put Ghost Touch on their weapons?  Remember, they need to specifically have that quality.  Being sheathed in Force, under the effects of a spell, or using a Truedeath Augment crystal doesn't cut it.  Some method of all of these are either cheaper or flat-out better than actually using Ghost Touch.
Ah. Okay, I'm good with that answer.

@Havok4 -- I'll have to look up that update. That sounds pretty good.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #449 on: December 04, 2010, 02:25:45 PM »
A150:Maybe some of the first level only feats could be a good choice......
Especially regional feats from FR but these may not be allowed in your game......

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #450 on: December 04, 2010, 02:42:16 PM »
Q 150 What'd be a good feat (other than Able Learner and Font of Inspiration) to take at 1st level for a Factotum? I read the handbook, but it doesn't really say "take this at 1st" anywhere.


Darkstalker perhaps?  What's wrong with the default Font of Inspiration choice?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #451 on: December 04, 2010, 04:38:55 PM »
Q151:If I Qualify for master of unseen hand as a Githyanki can I then use a ring of telekinesis to benefit from the prestige class?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #452 on: December 04, 2010, 05:45:46 PM »
Q/A141:  OK, I read Squire of Legend, but I'm not seeing how it lets you use your racial abilities more frequently.  Did I miss something?

Lesser Squire's Burden: Reikhardt allows you to grant someone an extra Su or Ex ability use, once per day.

Q150: If an ability lets you do something to your Ally, are you Allies with yourself?  What if you used the Psionic power that gives you two minds?
Q151: Assuming the answer to that is no, what are some ways other than Squire of Legend to get additional uses out of the Synad's racial Multitask?  I know of Improved Multitask (or whatever the feat is from the same book) already.
Q152: Multitask only seems to grant you a swift action, and that has to be a mental only swift action.  Not quite the quicken that was advertised.  What are some good uses for a Swift Mental Only action?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #453 on: December 04, 2010, 06:09:21 PM »
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as per PHB glossary, yes .... unless said ability states otherwise.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #454 on: December 04, 2010, 08:38:44 PM »
Q 152: Here's the text of heartstone, from the night hag entry in the Monster Manual:
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #455 on: December 04, 2010, 09:05:51 PM »
A155: There's a table in Savage Species about which type takes over. Undead wins over Outsider. Plus, I don't think you qualify for it, anyway.
As a Star Elf, I do. Augmented subtype in srd says you would just be Outsider (Augmented Undead, Augmented Humanoid, Incorporeal).

Again, look at Savage Species. You can't make an Undead into an Outsider.
1) Latest printing applies.  That'd be the 3.5 monster manual.
2) Core trumps noncore.  That'd be the 3.5 monster manual
3) Specific overrides general.  That'd be the otherworldly feat
4) The type pyramid only applies to templates, not to feats.

A155: There's a table in Savage Species about which type takes over. Undead wins over Outsider. Plus, I don't think you qualify for it, anyway.
As a Star Elf, I do. Augmented subtype in srd says you would just be Outsider (Augmented Undead, Augmented Humanoid, Incorporeal).
No. You'd be Undead (augmented Outsider, Incorporeal).

However, once you take the feat, you can no longer be the target of the template as you have become Outsider (native). Since you have to take the feat at level 1, and Ghost is an acquired template that comes after you die, I would say that the feat has precedence.

It is an invalid combination.
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1)CHECK WITH YOUR DUNGEON MASTER
 
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So I select my race as ghost in step 3, and then later on, in step 8, I select my feat to be otherworldly.  Completely valid.  If you want to do it after your first class level you'll need a psiref or retraining or something, but totally doable.


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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #456 on: December 04, 2010, 09:09:49 PM »
In this case, I believe it will work only with the actual template (not so awesome), not with the savage progression (significantly better), since you can't take the savage progression at level 1.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #457 on: December 04, 2010, 09:16:26 PM »
Eh, it's arguable.  I could make a decent case for ghost1/whatever 1 either way, but that's not really simple anymore.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #458 on: December 04, 2010, 09:32:20 PM »
You race isn't Ghost, though. You start play as something alive, and then die. You were born an Outsider, because of the feat. A Ghost of an Outsider is non-existent, but even if it were legal, it's Undead.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Part 20: Return of the Dread Gazebo
« Reply #459 on: December 04, 2010, 09:34:05 PM »
You race isn't Ghost, though. You start play as something alive, and then die. You were born an Outsider, because of the feat. A Ghost of an Outsider is non-existent, but even if it were legal, it's Undead.

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