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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 08:05:24 PM »
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 19, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Mirror image is overrated as a defense.  A level 1 commoner can defeat it with a 10 gp acid flask.

How does a level 1 commoner get a 10gp acid flask when he gets 1cp/day? :P
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 08:38:24 PM »
Quote from: RelentlessImp on November 19, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 19, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Mirror image is overrated as a defense.  A level 1 commoner can defeat it with a 10 gp acid flask.

How does a level 1 commoner get a 10gp acid flask when he gets 1cp/day? :P
How does a commoner eat if 250 grams of bread cost 2cp? ??? :lmao
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2010, 10:54:00 PM »
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 19, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Mirror image is overrated as a defense.  A level 1 commoner can defeat it with a 10 gp acid flask.
Wait... what? I thought Acid Flasks would be like an area effect spell, and so Mirror Image ignores it?
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2010, 02:37:24 AM »
Quote from: AndyJames on November 19, 2010, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 19, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Mirror image is overrated as a defense.  A level 1 commoner can defeat it with a 10 gp acid flask.
Wait... what? I thought Acid Flasks would be like an area effect spell, and so Mirror Image ignores it?
Nope, they're a attack that effects an area, but not an "area spell".
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2010, 03:07:48 AM »
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 20, 2010, 02:37:24 AM
Quote from: AndyJames on November 19, 2010, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 19, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Mirror image is overrated as a defense.  A level 1 commoner can defeat it with a 10 gp acid flask.
Wait... what? I thought Acid Flasks would be like an area effect spell, and so Mirror Image ignores it?
Nope, they're a attack that effects an area, but not an "area spell".
In that case, I am doubly glad I carry 5-10 flasks of lantern oil on me at all times at low level to help get rid of swarms...
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2010, 03:16:33 AM »
There's a reason I consider telekinesis to be a pretty decent anti-caster attack.  Depending upon your ammo, you can counteract the majority of "I don't need AC" defensive spells, and still have damaging attacks to spare.
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2010, 03:50:22 AM »
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 20, 2010, 03:16:33 AM
There's a reason I consider telekinesis to be a pretty decent anti-caster attack.  Depending upon your ammo, you can counteract the majority of "I don't need AC" defensive spells, and still have damaging attacks to spare.
I use it to grapple. Game over for the caster...
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2010, 10:21:58 AM »
Because they don't come standard with FoM?

Anyways, only the actual thrown flask counts as an attack. The splash damage is just splash damage. So you might pop one, but that's about it.
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2010, 11:05:21 AM »
Quote from: Sunic_Flames on November 20, 2010, 10:21:58 AM
Because they don't come standard with FoM?

Anyways, only the actual thrown flask counts as an attack. The splash damage is just splash damage. So you might pop one, but that's about it.
It's still an attack.  Unless you're going to argue that magic missile doesn't count as an attack.  Or lightning bolt.
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Re: Best defensive arcane and divine spells to persist, 5th level and lower?
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2010, 12:00:27 PM »
Quote from: Sunic_Flames on November 20, 2010, 10:21:58 AM
Because they don't come standard with FoM?
Not the ones I've fought against, with one exception (that DM finally learnt his lesson with regards to grapples; too bad FoM doesn't help against drowning...). I generally don't encounter an enemy wizard ready and waiting for my party to turn up.
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