Blasphemy/Holy Word Spamming build

[Sachiru]

The challenge: To optimize CL as much as possible, and allow a character to spam Holy Word/Blasphemy and kill pretty much anything (note: must be able to cast BOTH Blasphemy and Holy Word).
The rules: 20th level gestalt.
The stats:[21][17][19][16][19][16]


Challenge: Begin!

[OblivionSmurf83]

Is this just for a build you're playing? Or a genuine challenge? I imagine that will influence how people approach it...

[X-Codes]

Hellbred Cleric 20//Wizard 5/Incantatrix 10/Red Wizard 5

Use Circle Magic to cast Greater Consumptive Field at CL 40, which can then raise your CL for everything else to 60, and Persist it with Incantatrix.  Add in a bead of Karma and you can even blow away most epic monsters with a single Holy Word/Blasphemy.

[Sachiru]

It's for a build.

Also, it should be at the highest CL possible by default, with little to no casting necessary.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175882 for details.

[Mixster]

Str 16
Dex 16
Con 17
Wis 19 (get 30 with items)
Int 21 (get 32 with items)
Cha 19 (get 30 with items)
(with partial BAB)
Important Feats: Master Spellthief, Arcane Disciple (Evil), Arcane Disciple (Good) as many Practiced spellcaster as you can fit in there. (Worshipping the ideal of YingYang, there must be an even distribution of good and evil for the world to function, this is neutral)
Spellthief 1//Wizard 1
Bard 1//Wizard 2
Sorcerer 1//Wizard 3
Duskblade 1//Master Specialist 1
Duskblade 2//Master Specialist 2
Hexblade 1//Unseen Seer 1
Dread Necromancer 1//Ultimate Magus 1
Wizard 4// Knight of the Weave
Wizard 5//Suel Arcanamach 1
Wizard 6// Rainbow Servant 1
Warmage 1// Sublime Chord 1
Wu Jen 1// Ultimate Magus 2
Beguiler 1// UM 3
Wizard 7// UM 4
Warblade 1// UM 5
Warblade 2// UM 6
Wizard 8// UM 7
Warblade 3// UM 8
Warblade 4// UM 9
Warblade 5// UM 10

CL = Caster Level
n= Number of casting classes
m= Number of Practiced spellcaster feats taken
CL = (30+4m)*n = 30*13 + 0 = 390
Full wizard casting. Can cast 3 blasphemies and many holy words each day at CL 390. Also has full Sublime Chord casting, from where he'll get all his holy words.
The warblade levels were mainly filler because I thought for a moment I want Abjurant champion levels.

If You allow people to take a prestige class on both side of gestalt this should probably use Rainbow Servant 10, so it can get more cleric spells.

Seriously TO though. Also if you want to specialise be sure not to drop Evocation, because if you do, you can't cast the useful spells.

[BeholderSlayer]

Typically you're not allowed to choose double progression prestige classes in a gestalt game, so Ultimate Magus is out.

[Mixster]

Typically you're not allowed to choose double progression prestige classes in a gestalt game, so Ultimate Magus is out.

Nah that is just a guideline emphasis on the should:

[Garryl]

See if you can fit in a level of Nar Demonbinder. They've got their own progression (with CL similar to but different from KotW and SC). Their 1st level ability, Inimical casting, lets them use Blasphemy as Holy Word, Dictum, and Word of Chaos. If you can fit 7 levels of effective casting progression onto them, they can also cast Blasphemy from their own list/slots.

[Mixster]

See if you can fit in a level of Nar Demonbinder. They've got their own progression (with CL similar to but different from KotW and SC). Their 1st level ability, Inimical casting, lets them use Blasphemy as Holy Word, Dictum, and Word of Chaos. If you can fit 7 levels of effective casting progression onto them, they can also cast Blasphemy from their own list/slots.

Thank you. The build was a just a pretty rough sketch though. I'm not sure I get the requirement feats for 5 prestige classes

I could probably throw out the Suel Arcanamach for a level of Nar Demonbinder, do you have a source on him? Isn't it some ebberron book IIRC?

[Garryl]

Nar Demonbinder is from Unapproachable East (which I think is actually a Forgotten Realms book). You can also find it online (it was one of the previews for the book, there's a link in the Guide to Free D&D).

[Mixster]

Nar Demonbinder is from Unapproachable East (which I think is actually a Forgotten Realms book). You can also find it online (it was one of the previews for the book, there's a link in the Guide to Free D&D).

Thank you! That is quite an awesome class. Just exchange the Suel Arcanamach for a level of this bad boy and you are set.
Technically it would grant infinite caster level, but DMs don't really accept that.

Also if you want to play by the rules, and not allow UM. The build does almost as well with Unseen Seer levels instead of UM levels, and wizard levels instead of the warblade levels. Gives you a little more sneak attack so you can do other tricks as well.

Another good option is to snatch Maw of Chaos as well. It will make short work of anyone not chaotic with this obscene caster level.

[Maat_Mons]

Typically you're not allowed to choose double progression prestige classes in a gestalt game, so Ultimate Magus is out.

Nah that is just a guideline emphasis on the should

It's a guideline for the DM, since prohibiting things is something only he can do.  In order for the player to be able to choose to use ultimate magus, the DM must have chosen not to follow the guideline.  While this is possible, it's not a safe assumption. 

[Mixster]

Typically you're not allowed to choose double progression prestige classes in a gestalt game, so Ultimate Magus is out.

Nah that is just a guideline emphasis on the should

It's a guideline for the DM, since prohibiting things is something only he can do.  In order for the player to be able to choose to use ultimate magus, the DM must have chosen not to follow the guideline.  While this is possible, it's not a safe assumption. 

Yeah I know, that is why I wrote it is TO.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

What are your fallback options for deaf enemies?

[Sachiru]

Niiice. Thanks.

How about builds that use Druid 10 / Vermin Lord 10 on one side?

Regarding deaf enemies, Maw of Chaos, Mordenkainen's Force Missiles and Finger of Death should suffice.

[X-Codes]

Niiice. Thanks.

How about builds that use Druid 10 / Vermin Lord 10 on one side?

Regarding deaf enemies, Maw of Chaos, Mordenkainen's Force Missiles and Finger of Death should suffice.

Blasphemy and Holy Word aren't on the Druid Spell List, that's why.

When you're talking about instagibbing everything your DM throws at you with Blasphemy and Holy Word, a sudden aversion to cheese makes you seem like a troll more than someone genuinely looking for help.

[Sachiru]

Sorry about that.

It's a powergaming game, wherein the objective is pure combat. Cheese is encouraged, so...

Also, Druid is merely one side of the gestalt.

[Mixster]

Niiice. Thanks.

How about builds that use Druid 10 / Vermin Lord 10 on one side?

Regarding deaf enemies, Maw of Chaos, Mordenkainen's Force Missiles and Finger of Death should suffice.

That would be pretty hard if your DM enforces only one PrC per progression. If not, you could probably build a regular UM+SC+Master Spellthief one one side and whatever you like on the other side.
If you want just a hint of druid, the warblade levels bring nothing to the build so they can be exchanged for anything.

Against deaf enemies you could just use Black Tentacles. They are a no-save die, against monsters without freedom of movement, as well when your caster level is 390.

Also if you throw in the Unseen Seer levels, You could use Cloud of knives, and if you could get hunters eye on there you would kill anything you look at.
If you cast Steel Dance (spell compendium), and Ferocity of Sanguine rage, you can kill anything that comes nearby. +390 to attack rolls and +195 on damage rolls on everything you attack is awesome. You could also argue that you can cast Wu Jen Spells (since you have a Wu Jen Spellbook and wizards can cast spells from their spellbook) like Body Outside Body (Which would grant you so many copies it would be stupid).
In any event you always have Wings Of Flurry dealing 390 D6 of force damage to an area, only evaders can stop that.

So what you need to face for this to be not effective is:
A Chaotic, deaf creature with Freedom of Movement, and evasion who doesn't get within 5ft of you. And even then you are still a level 20 wizard (and a 10th level sublime chord) so you should just handle that situation like any other full caster would, or you could cast hammer of righteousness (from BoED) that will deal 390d6 damage to one target.

Actually I discovered there were a little flaw in the build so I changed it a little bit, if you fiddle around with the levels you can probably get a higher BAB (now it is +14), and better HD (which I haven't calculated) as well.
[spoiler]Spellthief 1//Wizard 1
Bard 1//Wizard 2
Sorcerer 1//Wizard 3
Duskblade 1//Master Specialist 1
Duskblade 2//Master Specialist 2
Hexblade 1//Unseen Seer 1
Dread Necromancer 1//Ultimate Magus 1
Wizard 4// Knight of the Weave 1
Wizard 5//Nar Demonbinder 1
Wizard 6// Rainbow Servant 1
Wizard 7// Sublime Chord 1
Wu Jen 1// Ultimate Magus 2
Beguiler 1// UM 3
Wizard 8// UM 4
Warblade 1// UM 5
Warblade 2// UM 6
Wizard 9// UM 7
Warblade 3// UM 8
Warblade 4// UM 9
Warmage 1// UM 10[/spoiler]

[Midnight_v]

Does anyone rember frank and K making that one build for that contest back in the day... uhm..
Ah the "Wish and the Word".
Sounds pretty accurate.

[RelentlessImp]

Does anyone rember frank and K making that one build for that contest back in the day... uhm..
Ah the "Wish and the Word".
Sounds pretty accurate.

This one has been mentioned multiple times on this board. General consensus is it doesn't work, as Ioun Stones don't stack, and the build relied on quite a few Orange Prisms.