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Suggestions for CHA based character?
« on: November 15, 2010, 03:10:25 AM »
So we're going to be starting a new campaign soon, and one of the players just got told that his base race will have +8 CHA at level 1 for LA +0. Why? Because the DM doesn't force you to take all of the monster levels, and he's going incubus.

He's not sure what he wants to take. He's been gaming for probably as many years as I've been alive, but with so many choices, he's not sure what he wants to do. Last campaign he wanted to be a saint, but ended up being one this campaign, when he wanted to be a mage slayer this campaign. He's thinking a few levels of warlock/hellfire warlock/marshal, but is kind of stuck with what to take after that, or if he should take something else.

All but FR and Eb book are allowed. If you had that kind of CHA, what would you take?
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 03:17:31 AM »
I would say start here.

After that I would wonder if he wants to max say, bluff or diplomacy, for some npc controlling fun, or if he has something else in mind.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 03:19:20 AM »
Unseelie fey/Battle dancer1/ghost 2/Hexblade/Paladin of Tyranny.  Obviously.  Drop everyone's saves into the lower mantle, and have cha to everything twice.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 03:23:11 AM »
I would say start here.

After that I would wonder if he wants to max say, bluff or diplomacy, for some npc controlling fun, or if he has something else in mind.
Unfortunately, the DM has nerfed Diplomacy considerably. He doesn't want diplomacers breaking his game. He's got house rules for that. He also like to emphasize "Even if the initial Diplomacy check succeeds, the other character can be persuaded only so far".

And for Seelie Fey and Ghost, don't you have to be a fey (or at least part fey) and dead (aka a ghost being unliving)? The battle dancer, hexblade, and paladin of tyranny I can see being done easily.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 03:28:01 AM »
Seelie Fey yes. Unseelie Fey no, and the template turns you into a fey. It's in the Dragon Compendium. Ridiculously overpowered though.

Is Generic Spellcaster an option? It's like a Sorcerer on crack.

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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 03:29:06 AM »
Seelie Fey yes. Unseelie Fey no, and the template turns you into a fey. It's in the Dragon Compendium. Ridiculously overpowered though.

Is Generic Spellcaster an option? It's like a Sorcerer on crack.
I'll have to look that up. Sounds like it could be quite interesting.

Generic? You mean the one from UA? No.

EDIT: Is it just me, or does the Unseelie Fey NOT have a listed LA? If not, I'm sure the DM will add one to it.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 03:39:44 AM »
It doesn't, part of the controversy. The template itself is applied to a Gnome, from memory, and the example monster has a LA of +0. As Gnomes have +0 to begin with, it stands to reason that Unseelie Fey is also +0. Except it's probably a typo, because of how stupidly powerful the template is.

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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 03:45:53 AM »
It doesn't, part of the controversy. The template itself is applied to a Gnome, from memory, and the example monster has a LA of +0. As Gnomes have +0 to begin with, it stands to reason that Unseelie Fey is also +0. Except it's probably a typo, because of how stupidly powerful the template is.
Kind of like how Feral is arguably higher than what it says it is too. Considering Half-Fey is +2, Unseelie has to be at least +1.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 03:58:44 AM »
(Evil) Paladin/Sorc Gish?
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 04:00:10 AM »
(Evil) Paladin/Sorc Gish?
We're still determining if we're doing an evil campaign or not. If he wanted to be a hellfire warlock, he'd need to go chaotic or evil. The Paladin/Sorcerer gish was gone this campaign by the dragonborn kobold. He might try to emulate it. I know I was considering it.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 04:11:23 AM »
Paladin 4/Fighter 1/Gray Guard 2/Divine Crusader 1/Gray Guard +2/Contemplative 1/Ordained Champion 3/Contemplative +1/Gray Guard +5

Feats: Stigmata, Extra Smiting once or twice, Practiced Spellcaster [Divine Crusader], and as much Hood stuff as you can fit in with the rest.  Optionally DMM Persist.
Level 8 casting from the War, Protection, and Wrath domains.  Potential for Persistent Divine Power and Righteous Might, and you can punch people in the face so hard that their magic stops working.

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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 04:15:21 AM »
Binder is simple and fun.  Might be worth a try.

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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2010, 04:19:38 AM »
Marshal/Warlock/Hellfire Warlock with Imperious Command. For great justice.

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2010, 04:25:44 AM »
Paladin 4/Fighter 1/Gray Guard 2/Divine Crusader 1/Gray Guard +2/Contemplative 1/Ordained Champion 3/Contemplative +1/Gray Guard +5

Feats: Stigmata, Extra Smiting once or twice, Practiced Spellcaster [Divine Crusader], and as much Hood stuff as you can fit in with the rest.  Optionally DMM Persist.
Level 8 casting from the War, Protection, and Wrath domains.  Potential for Persistent Divine Power and Righteous Might, and you can punch people in the face so hard that their magic stops working.
Since CHA is so high, and not WIS, is there a feat that'd bode well for the spellcasting? Unless you've already put it in, and I haven't noticed it.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2010, 04:32:18 AM »
Monk 1/Sorcerer x with the Ascetic Mage and Arcane Strike feats.

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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2010, 04:38:15 AM »
Monk 1/Sorcerer x with the Ascetic Mage and Arcane Strike feats.
I just realized something. The DM once said that no one's played a monk in his campaign before, and this player actually likes monks. He's got on e epic level monk that could probably beat any character I've designed.

EDIT: Would it be worth it to take the Enlightened Fist PrC too?
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2010, 04:58:38 AM »
Would a cleric/warlock/eldritch disciple with the dynamic priest feat, or sorcerer (bard or another CHA based arcane user)/warlock/eldritch theurge be a really dumb idea?
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2010, 05:05:45 AM »
I have no idea on that one. I have never considered it myself. Then again, I tend to go full casting class and gain my Monk abilities using the Monk's Belt (which, if you read it properly, gives you the Improved Unarmed Strike, and the Monk levels and AC bonus that makes Ascetic Mage optimal for you).

I would think about the following:

Dragonbrow Human Sorcerer 6/Ruathar 3/Dragonslayer 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1 [ECL 16]
CL 16
BAB 12

Get a Monk's Belt ASAP (13k gp), and then maybe Superior Unarmed Strike if you have the feats free (you will need Dodge, Combat Casting and Iron Will for PrC prerequisites).

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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 05:15:50 AM »
I would think about the following:

Dragonbrow Human Sorcerer 6/Ruathar 3/Dragonslayer 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1 [ECL 16]
CL 16
BAB 12
I'd think about it, or refer it to him, if that was a possible race to take. Which it isn't. You're more than welcome to think about it though. As said in the first post, he's an incubus. Can he change it to something else? Not really. Not unless he wants to be a thri-kreen again. The way it works is you're the offspring of your last character. He's currently a thri-kreen ice devil, and his wife is a half-nymph succubus.

EDIT: That's not to say the feats and item can't be considered if he went monk/sorcerer.
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Re: Suggestions for CHA based character?
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2010, 05:19:22 AM »
I would think about the following:

Dragonbrow Human Sorcerer 6/Ruathar 3/Dragonslayer 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellsword 1 [ECL 16]
CL 16
BAB 12
I'd think about it, or refer it to him, if that was a possible race to take. Which it isn't. You're more than welcome to think about it though. As said in the first post, he's an incubus. Can he change it to something else? Not really. Not unless he wants to be a thri-kreen again. The way it works is you're the offspring of your last character. He's currently a thri-kreen ice devil, and his wife is a half-nymph succubus.

Oh, it's that GM.

If I had that kind of Charisma and was playing under a sane GM, I'd probably go for a Sorcerer 2/Shugenja 1/Mystic Theurge 10, up to 17 if the DM lets you go past 10 with it, or finagle my way into another dual-progression; possibly Fochlucan Lyrist, with a Ring of Evasion.

I mean, dual spontaneous 9s is nothing to sneeze at.
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