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Playtime! => Play by Post General => : Tshern June 07, 2008, 08:11:07 PM
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I mentioned this in another thread here, but decided to start it a new one. After all, I can always get this locked and removed if this won't happen.
Here's some non-mechanical information:
- If this game starts, it will be after the 21st of June.
- This is just a tentative thread, I am just seeing if there are enough takers.
- This is very likely to kick off if I get enough players.
On to the more important, lovely and interesting part, mechanical information.
- Starting level: 12
- Stats: Either roll 4d6, drop the lowest and add 2 to any one stat or 32 point buy. Everyone can pick what they like.
- Material allowed: Keep it official WotC stuff, no mags whatsoever, pretty much anything 3.5e goes as does most of unupdated 3.0 material.
- Setting: Dis, the second of the Nine Hells of Perdition.
- Story: You are either merchants in Dis, against the tyranny of Nine Hells or Dispater's servants. If you are interested, post your story preference as well.
Important houserules:
- I will be using The Gates of Hell (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth669h/TGoH/) to describe the setting and unique creatures of Nine Hells. I suggest every players reads through Dispater's entry in Chapter 9. Only a few pages, no need to read his mechanics, just fluff.
- Gentlemen's contract is in effect. You use something, you can assume your enemies can use it as well.
- Outright ban of any infinity loops and other theoretical experiments.
- I'd like to have everyone post at least every other day. Naturally more posts is good.
- Mixing settings is okay, we can reflavour stuff and such.
Initial interest anyone?
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Me!!!! *raises hand*
I'd love to work in/for the Nine Hells. Would we necessarily have to be Dispater's servants, or could we be, say, on a diplomatic mission from Asmodeus or some such?
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If you are working for the Nine Hells I will have you scheme against a deific invasion made to overthrow Dispater. You are of relatively high level, so utilizing you seems like a natural thing for Dispater to do, but I can allow you being from another layer, but that won't effect the task you will have to undertake per se. Should you come from another layer, it must either be Mephistophles' Cania or Asmodeus' Nessus, as Dicefreaks' Dispater doesn't really get along with the other.
Edit: What I mean is that your mission will be pretty much the same, but of course your background can affect what you are assigned to do and so forth.
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me, me, me, me, pick me, me, me, me, i'll play, me me me...
i'll do a LG sorcadin, no , wait scratch that.
i respectfully request to join the game. I can bring cyber-cookies.
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Your request has been noted. Remember that if you decide to work for Dispater lawful evil alignment is required with no exceptions.
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*taps fingers* excellent, smithers....
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I wanna take part in it as well. Either invading or protecting Dis is fine to me...
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Do Dispater/Asmodeus offer certain domain choices? Where would they be located? I checked the chapter 2 and it is epic spells seeds and magic items.. ???
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I wanna take part in it as well. Either invading or protecting Dis is fine to me...
Cool, cool, duly noted.
An additional piece of info: I will be accepting 4-5 players, but not on first come, first served basis, I am probably going to have a little raffle. Unless we, of course, only get 4-5 prospective players.
Do Dispater/Asmodeus offer certain domain choices? Where would they be located? I checked the chapter 2 and it is epic spells seeds and magic items..
Thanks for the headsup, they are in chapter 9, not 2. My mistake.
Asmodeus' domains are Destruction, Domination, Evil, Knowledge, Law and Trickery. Dispater has none, as he is a cosmic entity, not a deity. However, being a Cleric of certain ideology is totally allowed even if you choose to serve Asmodeus or Dispater.
Edit: You could of course be a Cleric of Glasya or Lixer. They are the children of Asmodeus and you can find their descriptions in chapter 8.
Important people of Dis: Lord Dispater (Chapter 9), Archdevil Merorem, the Duke of Ebon Vale (Chapter 8 ), Archdevil Glasya (Chapter 8 ), Duke Titivilus (Chapter 7) and Duke Caim (Chapter 7). No need to memorize them all.
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Sweet. *goes off to invest in luck feats for the raffle*
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I`m interested. :D Havent decided on a side yet, will have to read up on this first.
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I'm interested. Would probably play a LE Factotum/Changeling with an intrigue focus if I'm in, but thats mutable if necessary. I can offer either cookies or curry :D
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*I* would have most knowledge and probably easier time to run you as defenders of Dis, because I already have a decent story for that and even an entity for you to team up against. However, I like challenges, so feel free to pick any of those options.
I'm interested. Would probably play a LE Factotum/Changeling with an intrigue focus if I'm in, but thats mutable if necessary. I can offer either cookies or curry
Wasn't it so that Chameleon requires human/doppelganger? If so, I want to note already in advance that you can qualify for both Able learner and Chameleon with changeling. Makes no sense otherwise.
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Wasn't it so that Chameleon requires human/doppelganger? If so, I want to note already in advance that you can qualify for both Able learner and Chameleon with changeling. Makes no sense otherwise.
There's a sidebar in Races of Destiny that says if you play in a world with changelings they qualify for both of those :D
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I figured LE would pretty much put me in the Dis camp, thats my intention.
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I'm 100% in, I need a new PbP.
I will Get together a mock character sheet asap.
Thanks
Jabsco
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Those PDF`s dont wanna come to my computer. I get "file can not be read, please try again later" from Firefox.
I want to do a Archivist ---> Malconvoker if we go with Merchants in Dis. Makes for great fluff and I always wanted to try one.
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Tshern, if we use 4d6 and it comes out to like 22 PB can we use 32 or are we stuck with that choice? Just curious
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I'll express my interest, though I won't be able to focus too much on making my character now. Finals week is coming up, and I'm being crushed with homework, so my schedule is pretty tight. But since it's starting after June 21st, that makes things a lot easier for me. As for a character, I haven't played a BSF in awhile, so I was thinking of a Paladin of Tyranny/Hexblade/Pious Templar, or at least something along those lines.
If need be, I'll give up my slot to anyone who isn't in a PbP already, because I'm already playing one. Everyone should get a chance, it's fun! :D
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Would you like build Tshern, or should we wait till we know who's in?
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I just found this, haven't read up on the Nine Hells yet, but I am totally interested. If you'll have me, I'm there.
I'll post up some backstory once I have time to read about the setting, and see what class I'd like to play (probably a caster of some sort, though)
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Playing lawful evil is always a tempting thing :smirk
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I'm interested, too.
Lawful evil spellthief with imp familiar needs a home :P
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Material allowed: Keep it official WotC stuff, no mags whatsoever, pretty much anything 3.5e goes as does most of unupdated 3.0 material.
Hmm.... this does include Unearthed Arcana with all it variants and Savage Species with its rediculous templates. Sure you want to allow those?
On the roll 4d6, do we have to roll those at invisible castle? I have rolled there a couple of times and never had good ability scores...
Edit: PHB 2 rebuilding also falls within the 3.5 books allowed, and also LA buyoff...
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There's a sidebar in Races of Destiny that says if you play in a world with changelings they qualify for both of those
No houserule required then.
Tshern, if we use 4d6 and it comes out to like 22 PB can we use 32 or are we stuck with that choice? Just curious
Let's say I allow rerolling anything less than 25 PB. Use your own nick for rolling and give me a link to it.
I'm 100% in, I need a new PbP.
I will Get together a mock character sheet asap.
No hurry with the sheet, the game won't start before 21st of June. At least that is the tentative plan, I might have a little vacation next week, which would give me some time...
Those PDF`s dont wanna come to my computer. I get "file can not be read, please try again later" from Firefox.
I want to do a Archivist ---> Malconvoker if we go with Merchants in Dis. Makes for great fluff and I always wanted to try one.
I know, the Gates of Hell are a bit problematic. Try clicking one of the links and then wait until it has loaded the entirety of that chapter before clicking anything again, switching windows or anything. That ought to work.
I'll express my interest, though I won't be able to focus too much on making my character now. Finals week is coming up, and I'm being crushed with homework, so my schedule is pretty tight. But since it's starting after June 21st, that makes things a lot easier for me. As for a character, I haven't played a BSF in awhile, so I was thinking of a Paladin of Tyranny/Hexblade/Pious Templar, or at least something along those lines.
If need be, I'll give up my slot to anyone who isn't in a PbP already, because I'm already playing one. Everyone should get a chance, it's fun!
Cool beans, good luck with your RL!
Would you like build Tshern, or should we wait till we know who's in?
No need to submit anything, but if you have something in your mind and want to build it I can review it.
I just found this, haven't read up on the Nine Hells yet, but I am totally interested. If you'll have me, I'm there.
I'll post up some backstory once I have time to read about the setting, and see what class I'd like to play (probably a caster of some sort, though)
The Gates of Hell is good for this. I suggest reading up to Dispater's entry in chapter 9 and if possible, description of Dis in Fiendish Codex II.
Playing lawful evil is always a tempting thing
Oh yes. Nine Hells > Abyss.
Hmm.... this does include Unearthed Arcana with all it variants and Savage Species with its rediculous templates. Sure you want to allow those?
As per gentlemen's contract, I don't want to be seeing infinite tentacle attacks or anything. Use 3.5 whenever possible and simplicity in character is always a plus, even though I don't require you to reduce your effectiveness by decreasing the amount of sources excessively.
On the roll 4d6, do we have to roll those at invisible castle? I have rolled there a couple of times and never had good ability scores...
Not necessarily, but that is preferable. Remember that you can also pick 32 PB.
Edit: PHB 2 rebuilding also falls within the 3.5 books allowed, and also LA buyoff...
Feat retraining allowed, no level rebuilding. I haven't read how LA buyoff works, so I'd prefer people abstaining from it, but I am not banning it per se.
I'm interested, too.
Lawful evil spellthief with imp familiar needs a home
A Spellthief? I am yet to see one in action, sounds like great fun.
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Questions:
Reflavored Church Inquisitor to Devilish Inquisitor?
Bone Knight is okay?
Are there any PrC in the GoH? And if so, which chapter, so I can research my ideas.
Is Mephistophles the archdevil in charge of seige warfare? I remember reading something in one of the Fiendish Codexes about his creation of living seige engines...
I love LE games. :D
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Prestige classes of the Perdition are in chapter 3.
Church Inquisitor is okay. Dispater's fluff actually says a few times that he is very closely associated to Inquisition domain...
Bone knight cool.
Nope, Bael is the one responsible for that. Mephistopheles is the Lord of the Eight, responsible for general pwnage.
Everyone: I am considering giving everyone a free feat I consider to go well with their fluff. A feat generally considered weak, but still something that suits the flavour. When I have chosen the players (probably rolling tonight, too bad for anyone who missed this. You can still join though!) you can start giving my suggestions.
Edit: Also, web enhancements are in and if I find a way to reach them, Untapped potential, Hyperconsciousness and Frank's and K' works ought to be fine as well. The problem is, as of now I have no access to them, but you can send a PM of whatever you want.
Edit2: Reflavoured classes from WotC are generally okay, but need to be clarified and linked with/to me first.
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Quick link to Level Adjustment buyoff on D20SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/reducingLevelAdjustments.htm)
"Once the total of a character's class levels (not including any Hit Dice from his creature type or his level adjustment) reaches three times his level adjustment, his level adjustment is eligible to be decreased by 1.
For instance, a gnoll's level adjustment is +1. When a gnoll character gains his third class level (remember, the gnoll's 2 starting Hit Dice don't count), he can pay an XP cost to reduce his level adjustment to +0.
If the level adjustment is greater than +1, this process repeats until the creature's level adjustment reaches +0. Each time, use the creature's current level adjustment to determine the point at which the level adjustment can go down by 1. For example, a drow (level adjustment +2) may drop to level adjustment +1 after gaining her sixth class level, and then to +0 after gaining an additional three class levels."
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It sounds like a fun idea and I do have some spare time available for at least the next couple of months, so consider me interested for camp Lawful Evil as well :)
~Bowen
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It seems that lawful evil is the new black, so I think that is the way we are rolling.
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Kay, so I figured I'd roll...
[spoiler]
Character stats (4d6.takeHighest(3)=15, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=10, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=12, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=12, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=13, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=9) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1619896/)
That's 24 PB, rerolling...
Character stats 2 (4d6.takeHighest(3)=15, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=13, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=7, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=8, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=8, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=8) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1619897/)
That's worse... try again...
Character stats 3 (4d6.takeHighest(3)=10, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=11, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=6, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=9, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=10, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=10) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1619898/)
I suck.... *crosses fingers*
Character stats 4 (4d6.takeHighest(3)=16, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=12, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=12, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=14, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=12, 4d6.takeHighest(3)=17) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1619899/) [/spoiler]
Sweet. So 4 rolls apparently is my lucky number :P
I'm thinking ranged Cloistered Cleric 3/ Devilish Inquisitor 2/ Bone Knight 7. Just throwing ideas out. I could probably go melee and do without the Knowledge Devotion, maybe going Lockric... :shrug
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Remember you have 2 points to add to any one stat and another 3 from the level ups.
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Duly noted. And if I am selected, I'll let the party decide if we need a Lockric or a Clarcher and use those 5 points appropriately :D
I'm dying to see a Bone Knight in action besides just the occasional duel :D (I was almost tempted by the Cardinal of Asmodeus PrC by the way, but it's too expensive :weep
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With you DMing, Tshern, I am definitely up for it!
My character will be a dark-knight-type working for Lixer, riding a dragon.
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Duly noted. And if I am selected, I'll let the party decide if we need a Lockric or a Clarcher and use those 5 points appropriately :D
You need what?
I'm dying to see a Bone Knight in action besides just the occasional duel :D (I was almost tempted by the Cardinal of Asmodeus PrC by the way, but it's too expensive :weep
Pun intended?
With you DMing, Tshern, I am definitely up for it!
My character will be a dark-knight-type working for Lixer, riding a dragon
Fo shizzle.
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Assuming I do end up getting picked I think I'm leaning towards either a beatstick role (either 'DPS' or 'Tank') or a general arcane caster role. I haven't actually played that last role in a game yet though, the only experience I've had with it is with some thought exercises and throwing 'GOD' NPC's at my party :P
As far as my level of opt-fu goes, it depends on the game I'm in. I usually hover at level 3, maybe some aspects of level 4, but very little if any at all and only in real CO games (using the 'what's your level of co?-system' that's been posted on these boards before). I try to avoid overkill and limit myself to what is needed to survive.
As for the gentleman's agreement, I think it's a great idea, I just have a quick question about it though. If I do end up using something cheesy, will the equally cheesy opposed actions be directed only at me or at the party as a whole?
~Bowen
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With you DMing, Tshern, I am definitely up for it!
My character will be a dark-knight-type working for Lixer, riding a dragon.
Reflavored Zhentarim Skymage much?
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Edited for English: If selected, I'll let the party decide if we need a Lockdown-Cleric or a Cleric-Archer.
And yes, pun drastically intended ;) Glad to see you're on top of your game
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Here here !
Meatwall (Aka Crusader) or Annoyer (aka Wizard) are in my wishlist for now. As for the background, I see people leaning towards sweet evulness, I'll go with the flow and be a bad dude if I play :p
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Reflavored Zhentarim Skymage much?
K's and Frank's stuff actually, even if a little reworked from that.
As for the gentleman's agreement, I think it's a great idea, I just have a quick question about it though. If I do end up using something cheesy, will the equally cheesy opposed actions be directed only at me or at the party as a whole?
Depends on the level of cheesiness. If you use Abyssal rretraining those nasty Balors will be coming for the entire party.
Edited for English: If selected, I'll let the party decide if we need a Lockdown-Cleric or a Cleric-Archer.
And yes, pun drastically intended Glad to see you're on top of your game
Emphasize mine.
Anyway, I am probably upping the player limit. Six victims are getting in.
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So this will likely come up sooner or later.
We had the talk once about them. Nighsticks. Are you still pro Nightsticks stacking or have you changed your mind? Also, what level of cheese/optimization do you consider that?
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Reflavored Zhentarim Skymage much?
K's and Frank's stuff actually, even if a little reworked from that.
Linky?
As for the gentleman's agreement, I think it's a great idea, I just have a quick question about it though. If I do end up using something cheesy, will the equally cheesy opposed actions be directed only at me or at the party as a whole?
Depends on the level of cheesiness. If you use Abyssal rretraining those nasty Balors will be coming for the entire party.
That's too bad, but I think I'll manage :) (Unless ofcourse the entire party plans on doing it and doesn't mind :P)
~Bowen
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That's too bad, but I think I'll manage :) (Unless ofcourse the entire party plans on doing it and doesn't mind :P)
A lot of things I'm cool with, but dark chaos reminds me too much of manipulate form. It's crazy good and the DM gets to use it better and sooner than we do.
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Mmh, I never really looked into it, but I take it PH2 retraining can't be used for the Elder Evil Devotion bonus feats and you need the DCFS?
~Bowen
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Yeah, if you want to trade out feats from EE devotion or VoP you need DCFS. Dirty but effective.
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Mmh, any chance of reflavoring to Dark LAW Feat Shuffle? :P
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OMG, I don't even know one of these feats/PrC's/etc's... But i have my own idea of serious cheese... might be a bit too much cheese though :blush
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What would that be, Mouseboy? :P
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What would that be, Mouseboy? :P
I am fairly certain it will get shot down in 0.0001 seconds because there is too much 3.0 materials involved, I'll keep it between the DM and me :)
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Too bad, you got me curious there :)
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Too bad, you got me curious there :)
Send a PM just now, so if it is rejected I'll post it here, otherwise more people will want to abuse it :D
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Okay, I hope your cheese makes it through though :)
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Okay, I hope your cheese makes it through though :)
nah you dont :P
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Don't make me go Shadowcraft Mage on your ass *cackles maniacally* :P
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Is it thematically fitting and highly critical cheese ?
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Are you talking about the Disciple of Dispater? :P
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I might, I might.
For now, I have two paths drawn before me :
Crusader 12 with a huge focus on survivability and preparation for Aura of Perfect Order shena... shean... tricks.
Hexblade 4/Paladin of Tyranny 3/A level 1 hole to fill/Crusader and feats to get Focalors Aura of Sadness, to debuff a bit.
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I am thinking of being a wizard of some kind... don't have any details yet though
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Frank and K's work can be found in a collated PDF here: http://turing.bard.edu/~mk561/frank_k_0.5.1.pdf (http://turing.bard.edu/~mk561/frank_k_0.5.1.pdf). As for what I am playing, it will be K knight 8/bone rider 1/dragon lancer 1/death knight 2, or some permutation thereof. Riding a dracolich, focused on charging and being awesome, as guys who ride on dragons tend to be.
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Edit2: Reflavoured classes from WotC are generally okay, but need to be clarified and linked with/to me first.
Reflavoured Malconcoker? Seeing as we are going lawful evil...
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[coffee break]
Aftercrescent: Nightstick stackage is allowed. Not too cheesy in my opinion, but that of course depends on how far will you take it. Having a stick or four isn't that bad...
Bowen: Working for Dispater kind of takes away the possibility of devoting yourself to an elder evil. I think.
AlsAtAn: Reflavoured Malconvoker? Got me curious, continue with your idea.
[/coffee break]
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Tshern, do you have the players picked yet? I'd like to start building a character, but I don't want to get my hopes up and begin building, only to find out that I won't be saving His Iron Grace's hide from... something.
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I got my hands on the pdf`s eventually. Had to use FTP and restart them again and again. :wall
Anyone else who cant seem to get ahold of the files can contact me and I`ll send them to you. ;)
Alright, the alternative fluff for Malconvoker is starting to take shape in my head after reading about Dispater. So basically, he`s a sadistic bastard that gets turned on by having people toil endlessly to the end of days.
So, my Malconvoker can basically do the same thing. Summon slaves of Dispater, giving them the notion that serving me, a direct servant of Dispater himself, might put them in the good graces with the big man. Ofcourse, Dispater caring that some dretch or other lowlife aids me in my quests is not very likely... No need to say that tough. Power of wording. :debate What do you think Tshern? Winning recipie? Requirements would be the same, except alignment Lawful Evil.
It needs work, but its a good start. Any further ideas for fleshing appreciated.
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I got my hands on the pdf`s eventually. Had to use FTP and restart them again and again. :wall
Anyone else who cant seem to get ahold of the files can contact me and I`ll send them to you. ;)
multiple? I have one single PDF of Frank Trollman and K titled 'Tome of necromancy, Tome of Fiends, Dungeonomicon, Races of War'. I especially like the Marshall class in there :)
@Tshern, have you checked my PM?
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Clearly you didnt read the first post throughly enough. Linky. (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth669h/TGoH/) Although I`ll probably just end up sending them to you over msn.
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Clearly you didnt read the first post throughly enough. Linky. (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth669h/TGoH/) Although I`ll probably just end up sending them to you over msn.
Damn, I cant believe I missed that... have that a lot though that I read stuff but miss a random line...
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Frank and K's work can be found in a collated PDF here: http://turing.bard.edu/~mk561/frank_k_0.5.1.pdf (http://turing.bard.edu/~mk561/frank_k_0.5.1.pdf). As for what I am playing, it will be K knight 8/bone rider 1/dragon lancer 1/death knight 2, or some permutation thereof. Riding a dracolich, focused on charging and being awesome, as guys who ride on dragons tend to be.
Mmh, I was thinking about going (reflavored) Zhentarim Skymage if I went the arcane caster route. Maybe we should make en entire party made up of dragon riders :P
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Mmh, I was thinking about going (reflavored) Zhentarim Skymage if I went the arcane caster route. Maybe we should make en entire party made up of dragon riders :P
Everyone in the party is gonna be dragon flavored? How about a DFA with a dragon cohort? (pretty draconic I guess :P)
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Mmh, I was thinking about going (reflavored) Zhentarim Skymage if I went the arcane caster route. Maybe we should make en entire party made up of dragon riders :P
Everyone in the party is gonna be dragon flavored? How about a DFA with a dragon cohort? (pretty draconic I guess :P)
that would pwn... I might reconsider my Wizard choice and go for Marshall instead (as per Frank Trollman) > could give everyone nice bonuses :)
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I was actually considering Draconic template. :eh
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I was actually considering Draconic template. :eh
With LA buyoff this is indeed a viable choice :)
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I was actually considering Draconic template. :eh
With LA buyoff this is indeed a viable choice :)
Smartass. :P
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I was actually considering Draconic template. :eh
With LA buyoff this is indeed a viable choice :)
Smartass. :P
I am seemingly smart, but actually know very little about optimization :blush
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It'd be funny if the Half-dragon in the party got miffed about his dragon cousin being reduced to someone's mount. Liberation never looked so sweet :evillaugh
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The die has been cast. Should no-one have anything objecting this, the following players had invested their luck feats properly: Llochlyn, Mister_Sinister, aftercrescent, Dictum Mortuum, Irthos Levethix and BowenSilverclaw. If someone feels like giving his place to another user, I am okay with that. Sorry for the ones who didn't get in!
Announcements:
-Everyone gets Infernal as a free bonus language. Do not bother investing to that.
-No Leadership or its variants. Thrallherd I am willing to allow though, but I will build the cohort according to guidelines given by the player.
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damn I didn't get in...
As promised; here is my cheese:[spoiler]I planned on taking the Symbiotic template from Savage Species. at first it doesnt seem to strong, but note that the symbiont does not add to the LA of the host, so unlimited stacking of templates is possible. There are like 10 templates which can be stacked together to get massive bonuses to your mental stats[/spoiler]
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I believe creatures with Draconic template to have ancient dragon relatives. Probably wouldnt care all that much. Besides, I`m evil.
...How do one go by getting a dragon mount? Probably would have to strike a deal with it...
And happy gaming to those who had lucky feats. :)
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Sweet! I've been reading about Dis in that pdf and Fiendish Codex. Also, it looks like we've got a good group here. Hope I'm up to par with you guys :)
Looking through what some of you guys were wanting to play, there's a lot of melee types, no real skill monkeys or faces or casters (except for the cleric). Should we start fleshing out the party roles?
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Yay!
@ ienie: Symbiotes are standard cheese, just for reference ;)
Okay other members, I have to do some reading to decide if I'm dedicating to an ideal or one of the cosmic entity choices, but if any of you have preference for my cleric/bone knight to go melee/lockdown or ranged, let me know. :D
@ Tshern: I'll use nightsticks but avoid things persisting touch spells (no delay death persistant pseudo immortality). But my next question is how you feel about persisting 1 round spells like swift haste, swift etherealness, etc
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Yay!
@ ienie: Symbiotes are standard cheese, just for reference ;)
That again proves my non-existing optimization-fu.
Happy gaming to all who got selected though :)
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Tshern, i wanted to ask you. Are you ok with the semi-cheesy trick i want to use with my character? I basically want to steal the imp's invisibility and recharge my pool of spells to essentially have endless 2nd level and lower spells (maybe 3rd also, if you allow versatile spellcaster to work like that). It's basically the same thing with what warlocks do. I promise that i won't do anything game-breaking (i don't even now if you can do anything game breaking with that anyway), but if you have a problem i can change/make another character.
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@aftercresent:I always liked melee clerics, so thats my vote.
Also, should we just keep using this thread to go about getting the game set up?
How does LA buyoff work in a game where you start at 12th level? Would xp gained in game be immediately going to the buyoff, or do you come in at a lower level to have already "paid off" your LA? I've never used that, but if everyone's thinking about a Draconic flavor...
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Aftercrescent: Feel free to persist them. As a Cleric you might have some troubles getting your hands on many swift action spells though. Also, you have a mounted charger and a Crusader coming. You going archer?
Tshern, i wanted to ask you. Are you ok with the semi-cheesy trick i want to use with my character? I basically want to steal the imp's invisibility and recharge my pool of spells to essentially have endless 2nd level and lower spells (maybe 3rd also, if you allow versatile spellcaster to work like that). It's basically the same thing with what warlocks do. I promise that i won't do anything game-breaking (i don't even now if you can do anything game breaking with that anyway), but if you have a problem i can change/make another character.
That's reasonable, but I'd like you not to use that in conjunction with Versatile spellcaster. Otherwise that isn't all too gamebreaking given your limited list of spells. All of you might want to talk about these things with other players as well, all don't like same brands of cheese.
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Anyone willing to answer that LA buyoff question?
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Well we can use it for now. Tshern will likely post in the Current Games thread soon and then Meg will set him up with a child forum and I'll lock this thread and we'll move there...
LA buyoff can get confusing, so I know why Tshern was hesitant at first, but since I love powerful things I've gotten to be a bit of an expert on it. So the first thing is Tshern deciding if we start exactly at 12 or halfway between 12 and 13.
Also: If we go draconic, I'll be seeing if I can't get a skeletal drakelsteed or somesuch skeletal zombie to replace my skeletal warhorse ;)
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You will start at level 12 with exact amount of XP needed for that. No more, no less.
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66,000 XP it is, then.
Let's say you wanted to buy off Draconic (+1). At level 3 (ECL4) You would pay to buy off the +1 since it is 3 classes x LA. So you pay ECL-1 (3) times 1,000XP and reduce your LA by +1. Does that make sense as an example?
Basically if you have no racial HD and a +1 LA template, you start at level 11 with 63,000XP.
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66,000 XP it is, then.
Let's say you wanted to buy off Draconic (+1). At level 3 (ECL4) You would pay to buy off the +1 since it is 3 classes x LA. So you pay ECL-1 (3) times 1,000XP and reduce your LA by +1. Does that make sense as an example?
Basically if you have no racial HD and a +1 LA template, you start at level 11 with 63,000XP.
That's correct. Although if you were actually using normal rules for XP gain you probably would have gotten them back, but i don't think that's fair.
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66,000 XP it is, then.
Let's say you wanted to buy off Draconic (+1). At level 3 (ECL4) You would pay to buy off the +1 since it is 3 classes x LA. So you pay ECL-1 (3) times 1,000XP and reduce your LA by +1. Does that make sense as an example?
Basically if you have no racial HD and a +1 LA template, you start at level 11 with 63,000XP.
And then the thing is, since you bought it off at level 3, you get extra XP at levels 4-12 because you are one level behind. so the XP gap gets narrower and narrower > XP is a river
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Ok, so who's playing what so far? I'm okay with filling in any slots, although I prefer not to have to play the skill monkey, that is one of the few rules that don't really do anything for me...
It appears that Melee/Lockdown, Charger and Archery/Healing have been covered, so I'm currently leaning towards an arcane caster of sorts.
If someone else wants to take that role I'm cool with that, maybe I could build a melee type as well, as if we don't have enough meatsacks already :P
Then again, 2 Wizards doesn't hurt either :)
I'm looking forward to your thoughts, guys :)
~Bowen
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Regarding LA buyoff: Wouldnt you get more xp from adventuring than the rest of the party since you are one lvl lower?
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Thats how I thought it would work. I just prefer straight character classes, always seemed more powerful to me. (Is that a sin on the Op boards?)
So, are we going with a Draconic flavor? I kinda like the Undead thing, maybe a Pale Master/Soul eater....
Want to be the arcane masters, Bowen?
Edit : Why the hell (ha) are we thinking about dragons when we're IN Hell?
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Regarding LA buyoff: Wouldnt you get more xp from adventuring than the rest of the party since you are one lvl lower?
If we were playing levels 4-12, yes. But we're not, so really it's like assuming that you're taking on challenges equal to your new ecl while others take on challenges for their ecl. It's the only fair way to do it.
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Want to be the arcane masters, Bowen?
Edit : Why the hell (ha) are we thinking about dragons when we're IN Hell?
Fine with me :)
Now to decide if I'll play a normal GOD wizard or a gish...
Anyone have any preferences? :P
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Edit : Why the hell (ha) are we thinking about dragons when we're IN Hell?
I don't discriminate. As long as it's undead, I don't mind if it was human, dragon, or troll :D
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Regarding LA buyoff: Wouldnt you get more xp from adventuring than the rest of the party since you are one lvl lower?
If we were playing levels 4-12, yes. But we're not, so really it's like assuming that you're taking on challenges equal to your new ecl while others take on challenges for their ecl. It's the only fair way to do it.
not true, since you will travel with the party and therefore always get more XP than your fellow party members of 1 level higher
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Thinking dragons is quite smart actually. After all, Tiamat lives next to the gates of Dis...
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not true, since you will travel with the party and therefore always get more XP than your fellow party members of 1 level higher
Not true. Who says we all travel together from level 1 on? And if so, we're getting less Exp for those levels, you have to remember.
But either way, I doubt we'll all be travelling together from level 4-12. We could each be serving different Lords/dukes/etc. Who know what happened in the past, flavor is mutable and all that crap. It also requires a crapton of excess math when you can just be 3K behind and make it up in-game.
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Thinking dragons is quite smart actually. After all, Tiamat lives next to the gates of Dis...
Duly noted...
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Thinking dragons is quite smart actually. After all, Tiamat lives next to the gates of Dis...
My thoughts exactly :)
Haven't had a chance to read through the file yet, but what's the current situation/relation between Dispater and Tiamat?
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Thinking dragons is quite smart actually. After all, Tiamat lives next to the gates of Dis...
Really? Is this in GoH or FC or just common knowledge?
Since we're on the topic, are you okay with possibly trading my undead warhorse for an undead dragon-type mount of appropriate level?
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Thinking dragons is quite smart actually. After all, Tiamat lives next to the gates of Dis...
Really? Is this in GoH or FC or just common knowledge?
Since we're on the topic, are you okay with possibly trading my undead warhorse for an undead dragon-type mount of appropriate level?
You could use the rules found for Dragons as Special Mounts for Paladins in the Draconomicon as a guideline...
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Are we going to be subject to the planar traits of Baator? We are working for Dispater right, one of his committees. Just wanna know before I go make sure I'm not going to melt in the first session.
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Haven't had a chance to read through the file yet, but what's the current situation/relation between Dispater and Tiamat?
Not elaborated on in the Gates of Hell, but consider them as neutral as two lawful evil beings can be. Especially when one is Dispater. Iron Duke doesn't trust her, but they are still good.
Are we going to be subject to the planar traits of Baator? We are working for Dispater right, one of his committees. Just wanna know before I go make sure I'm not going to melt in the first session.
Yes, yes you are. However, Dicefreaks' Dis isn't actually lethally hot at all.
Really? Is this in GoH or FC or just common knowledge?
All of them I think. According to FC II Tiamat's lair is in Avernus close to the Maggot pit and Dicefreaks (I think) say that Tiamat's lair is next to the gates of Dis. That is the spawning point of the Iron Siege at least "Right past Tiamat's lair, before the iron gates of Dis...)
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Haven't had a chance to read through the file yet, but what's the current situation/relation between Dispater and Tiamat?
Not elaborated on in the Gates of Hell, but consider them as neutral as two lawful evil beings can be. Especially when one is Dispater. Iron Duke doesn't trust her, but they are still good.
:eh
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:lol
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You haven't heard of my theory of Dispater actually being chaotic good and hiding inside the Tower so that no-one will find that out?
Edit: My G-FU got shot down. Angst.
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That's the craziest D&D theory I've heard :D
And I'd bump you back up for accepting me, but I already bumped you for a comment earlier today :P
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Ditto
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And I'd bump you back up for accepting me, but I already bumped you for a comment earlier today :P
What comment was that?
Anyway, I hope everyone takes a single rank of Knowledge (local: the Nine Hells/Dis). Or better yet, you might have someone who knows a lot about Dis with Knowledge (the planes, royalty and local).
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Are playing FR style where we have to take Local: X? Or just Local?
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Local: X. I count the Nine Hells of Perdition as a single place for the purposes of that skill.
Also, what was the comment, aftercrescent? I demand answers or your character starts taking wound points.
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Local: X. I count the Nine Hells of Perdition as a single place for the purposes of that skill.
Also, what was the comment, aftercrescent? I demand answers or your character starts taking wound points.
It was the same comment Bowen pumped you for. He commented right after I pumped your fu...
Anyways, how does the local: X interact with knowledge devotion, since it's a knowledge: local check? Does a knowledge: local: Nine Hells get me a bonus to hit/damage against humanoids? :lol
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I still don't know what that is. Or can't remember to be more specific. I do so much awesome posts.
Nope. But considering Knowledge devotion: I have made a ruling that Collector of stories works with it. Use that, I know you want to.
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I still don't know what that is. Or can't remember to be more specific. I do so much awesome posts.
Nope. But considering Knowledge devotion: I have made a ruling that Collector of stories works with it. Use that, I know you want to.
So I would need to invest in Knowledge local: 9H and Knowledge local: Prime Material to get the info on the 9H and the devotion bonus for humanoids, respectively.
Also, I'll try to find the comment for you.
Edit: This ->
Superman must be the lamest character ever and Doomsday doesn't come far behind.
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Yep, that was the comment.
Also, any basic ideas yet of what you guys are going to play, besides the Lock, Mounted Charger and Cleric Archer??
~Bowen
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I'm thinking about a Tiefling Ultimate Magus, but I'm still undecided.
On a side note, I'm kinda surprised my Fu didn't drop for saying Doomsday was awesome.
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Meh, at least he's not as bad as Superman...
Basic GOD UM?
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After: Use Knowledge (nature) for humanoids.
Irthos: Dropping your G-FU does no right to the crime against humanity your commited. Instead of dropping it I am sending a bunch of angry mobsters to your house.
Also, someone please interpret Optimization by the numbers for me. What kind of saves and AC you ought to have at this level?
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Unfortunately I can't help you with that, since I never really got into that thread myself. It kinda depends on the level of opt-fu though I guess...
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After: Use Knowledge (nature) for humanoids.
Irthos: Dropping your G-FU does no right to the crime against humanity your commited. Instead of dropping it I am sending a bunch of angry mobsters to your house.
Also, someone please interpret Optimization by the numbers for me. What kind of saves and AC you ought to have at this level?
Cool, Knowledge Nature it is.
Irthos: Ultimate Magus
Bowen: Arcane?
Dictum: Spellthief
after: Lockdown-Cleric (?)
Llyochn: Debuffer
Once people say what they're leaning to, I'll try to post this and keep it updated so we're on the same page.
Tshern: linksy? I can try to interpret it if you'd like.
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Unfortunately I can't help you with that, since I never really got into that thread myself. It kinda depends on the level of opt-fu though I guess...
So AC around 75-80 and saves in the upper 50's?
Optimization by the numbers. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=861084)
After: Llochlyn has a debuffer (Hex 4/Pal of Tyranny 3/Cl Cleric 1/Crusader 4) and Mister Sinister has a mounted charger. You lack ranged support.
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If the debuffer wants to grab some lock-down, I can go archery-cleric :shrug whatever works best for the group.
I'll check that link out right now :D
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Unfortunately I can't help you with that, since I never really got into that thread myself. It kinda depends on the level of opt-fu though I guess...
So AC around 75-80 and saves in the upper 50's?
I doubt if my character will have such insane stats at this level, I'll get back to you on that one :P
And yes After, I'm currently leaning towards arcane. Maybe I'll work towards a War Weaver, or is everyone cool with not having 15 or so buffs for the entire party? :P
~Bowen
EDIT: It will either be a Tiefling or, especially if I'm going with the Zhentarim Skymage, a Half-Giant.
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Buffs? I'm a persisting cleric. I am buffs :P (depending, of course, on how much gold we're given.. :P) I'm actually cool with whatever you want to play, Bowen.
@ Tshern:
I used CubeKnight's http://www.cuberocks.net/DnD/CritterFilter/CritterFilter.php
CR 12s to CR 14s have, on average a ~+22 to hit (melee). So our ACs should be at least 32ish.
On the opposite hand, the average AC for that range is ~22-27 so the main damage dealer should have at least a ~+12-+17 to hit.
Is that the kind of information you're looking for? Or did you want something more specific/general?
If so, I can check out saves or whatever you'd need next.
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Ok, I think I'll stay away from War Weaver so I've got a little more room for some general GOD-ness :)
Class progression will probably be something like Wizard 5/Mindbender 1/Incantatrix 3/Zhentarim Skymage 3
OR
Wizard 5/Zhentarim Skymage 5/Incantatrix 2
I'm signing of for the night, see you guys tomorrow :)
~Bowen
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That's great after, thanks!
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A bit more quick analysis.
[spoiler]CR 12-14 Averages:
Touch AC ~ 9-11.5
FF AC ~ 21-24.5
Ranged Attacks ~ 15-16.5
Fort ~ 13.5-14
Ref ~ 9.5-11.5
Will ~ 9-14
SR ~ 23-24[/spoiler]
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Nice work. Cheers.
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Not sure whether its better to go with more spells in dual classes, or higher level spells in one....
Thoughts?
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Just as a note, use your final intelligence bonus (items not included as per normal rules) to calculate your skill points. Do not care of possible level bumps, use the final bonus.
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Not sure whether its better to go with more spells in dual classes, or higher level spells in one....
Thoughts?
There's an Ultimate Magus Handbook, right? My initial thought is higher level spells, since thy're generally better, but it may vary by what your character is going to accomplish.
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Sigh, another houserule from me. I'll compile this to a single place when I get a childboard for this thing. Here it goes: If you want a regional feat or something like that, ask me. If the place doesn't exist in the world the requirement can be reworked.
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Damn, and I always thought luck feats were suboptimal :-\
Good gaming to everyone who got in :clap
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2 flaws, right?
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Okay, I would like to get this out of the way ASAP, the DCFS thing...
A) Would it be possible to rework/reflavor the Elder Evil Devotion thing to include Dispater or perhaps one of his associates so that one can devote oneself to one of those?
B) Would it be possible, assuming A is acceptable, to reflavor Dark CHAOS Feat Shuffle to Dark LAW Feat Shuffle?
C) Assuming Tshern okays these suggestions, would the rest of you guys be okay with it as well? I don't want to step on anyone's toes or anything...
Greetings,
Bowen
EDIT: Tshern, will we be using multiclass XP-penalties?
EDIT 2: And before I forget, I would like to officially suggest that we adopt Judas Priest's 'Hell Patrol' as our party's anthem :P
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Here, been working on that character last night, and for knowledge (Planes and most other), we're ok. About Nature used for humanoids, I might then get rid of Local and have 10 more ranks to distribute in other skills, nice.
I won't be able to go lockdown at all. I had to have one little stat dump, and it's dexterity. Also, I'm very tight on feats, and preferred to take advantage of a good charisma score through intimidation and dreadful wrath tricks + devotion feats (to put the buff back in debuffer).
I just have some equipment and spells to chose and I'll be able to post the character.
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1. Dispater could be used as an elder evil, but not his minions.
2. Nope, the spells remain as they are. This is also because I want to avoid people shuffling away racial feats. For example elves would get 6 bonus feats at level one, which kind of takes away the point of being a human in the first place.
XP penalties are made of great stupid. Ignore them. And two flaws are allowed. I think there are some online sources for additional flaws and after my scrutiny they are likely to be accepted.
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Can you post a link to them? The only one out of Unearthed Arcana that I like is Non-combatant, it'd be nice to see some more.
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@ irthos: http://realmshelps.dandello.net/datafind/feats.shtml select feats and all sources and it'll search and give you list
@ Tshern: your child-forum is up, go ahead and start a thread there and I'll lock this when you're done :D
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Okay, I want some advice, but I don't know whether I should put it here or the Min/Max board...posting on both seems wrong, so I'll start here. Seems like I'd get more imput on the other board though.
I'm thinking about going Wiz3/Master Specialist6/Diabolist2, as a Focused Specialist into either Transmutation or Conj, and dropping Evo, Enchant, and Necro. Dunno about feats and etc yet (plus, all my books are on my PC at home).
Does this seem doable? And should I put this up on the Min/Max board anyway?
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Does this seem doable? And should I put this up on the Min/Max board anyway?
Yes. Although I don't know the Diabolist off the top of my head, so I could be wrong. And yes, you should put it up there, although make sure to mention what your must have feats will be :D
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Done, now go pimp my wizard! :D
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@ Tshern: your child-forum is up, go ahead and start a thread there and I'll lock this when you're done :D
It'll take a few more hours. I am at work and just about to go see how France beats the snot out of Romania in soccer. Been thinking about your game, doing notes and all that. Additionally, I have most of this week of as a little compensation for the extra work I've done here, so I can dedicated myself to this game better. We might possibly be able to start this a bit earlier, depending on how you guys feel. No pressure with character creation though.
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Cool. No rush, just letting you know. :D
Whatever work best for others will work for me. I'm still not sure if I'm needed as a lock-down cleric or ranged cleric. I'll wait until everyone elsle has decided and pick from there :D
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If I go with the Master Specialist route, would you guys rather me go as a Conjurer or a Transmuter? Teleports/Summons/Orbs/Etc vs Buffs/Debuffs/Polymorphs.... what do you guys think?
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Just make sure to throw some good old save-or-haha in there to take advantage of those penalties on saves and I'll be happy.
Just look at what specialist powers you think would be more helpful [hint]Abrupt Jaunt is teh bomb[/hint]
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Childboard has some threads now, abandon this ship.