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General Gab => Off Topic Fun => In the Media => : Blade2718 September 07, 2008, 12:36:27 AM

: Game Console Showdown
: Blade2718 September 07, 2008, 12:36:27 AM
I'm considering getting a game system, actually the first ever that wasn't a gift.  They each have their own merits, but what I want to know is what things should I consider about my own gaming habits before I make a purchase?
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: CountArioch September 07, 2008, 03:43:05 AM
They lowered the price of the Xbox just the other day.  The cheapass crap xbox is now cheaper than the Wii, but the good one with the bigass hard drive is still almost $400. 

I'm thinking of getting the shitty arcade version and getting a hard drive for it, because I piss on hi def TVs.
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: Blade2718 September 07, 2008, 03:47:35 AM
They lowered the price of the Xbox just the other day.  The cheapass crap xbox is now cheaper than the Wii, but the good one with the bigass hard drive is still almost $400. 

I'm thinking of getting the shitty arcade version and getting a hard drive for it, because I piss on hi def TVs.
I heard about the price drop, but that alone won't convince me to get a system.  If that were the case, I'd just go get an old Sega CD or something.
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: CountArioch September 07, 2008, 03:52:18 AM
Well, if it was me, I'd own all three, but I'm broke as a motherfucking joke.  What with all the leaving my powerful and high-paying job to go basck to college so i wouldn't have to work with shit anymore.
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: Peaboo September 07, 2008, 11:10:05 AM
It's not about the system, it's about the games.

Many games are available for all systems, but you have to decide which version you want. GTA4 for example will have bonus downloadable content on the Xbox 360 only.

Some games are exclusive to one system or another. That's where the decision has to be made.

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: Meg September 07, 2008, 03:00:17 PM
Totally agree with Peaboo.

Also, Yahtzee says it best here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/84-Console-Rundown
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: Blade2718 September 07, 2008, 03:39:37 PM
Totally agree with Peaboo.

Also, Yahtzee says it best here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/84-Console-Rundown
ROFL....ok, its down to XBOX 360 or a Wii...not enough games for PS3 to make it worth it for me.
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: Archmage Joda September 07, 2008, 03:41:24 PM
[spoiler](http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-1191.png)[/spoiler]

But in all seriousness, if you find yourself playing with friends a lot, I'd say Wii, but if most of your playing is with yourself, then X-Box.
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: CountArioch September 07, 2008, 08:12:43 PM

But in all seriousness, if you find yourself playing with friends a lot, I'd say Wii, but if most of your playing is with yourself, then X-Box.

Well, looks like I'll have to get an xbox then.
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: Sinfire Titan September 07, 2008, 09:21:13 PM
Wii has three major things going for it right now: House of the Dead port, Brawl, and Wii Sports (bowling is the shit). Twilight Princess is not on this list because it was also for the Gamecube. And I'd personally toss Guilty Gear Accent Core in there just because it is awesome.

Xbox has....Well, a lot. Halo, Gears of War, Devil May Cry 4, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed (fuck PS3), Fable 2, GoW 2, and all of the regular Xbox games without the need for a disc if you download them.
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: PhoenixInferno September 07, 2008, 09:30:29 PM
Mass Effect (although I would recommend the PC version over the X360 one), Ninja Gaiden II, Lost Odyssey.

DMC4 was also available on the PS3.
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: AstralFire September 07, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
Yeah, Andy James has got it.

360 for a hardcore solo gamer.
Wii for a party/casual gamer.
PS3 for... we'll get back to you on that.
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: Blade2718 September 07, 2008, 11:09:57 PM
Wii has three major things going for it right now: House of the Dead port, Brawl, and Wii Sports (bowling is the shit). Twilight Princess is not on this list because it was also for the Gamecube. And I'd personally toss Guilty Gear Accent Core in there just because it is awesome.

Xbox has....Well, a lot. Halo, Gears of War, Devil May Cry 4, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed (fuck PS3), Fable 2, GoW 2, and all of the regular Xbox games without the need for a disc if you download them.
Honestly, none of those games interest me.  That's why I came for advice.
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: AfterCrescent September 07, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
What's your genre preference Blade?
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: Blade2718 September 07, 2008, 11:23:07 PM
What's your genre preference Blade?
RPG (duh), puzzle, RTS.
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: AfterCrescent September 08, 2008, 12:07:58 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3, and Echo is an amazing puzzle game, but Mass Effect is an awesome RPG/Shooter.  The Wii doesn't have much in the way of RPG/RTS, although Nintendo does have a reputation for putting out puzzle games. The Wii is a relaxed, good around with your friends, type system. You're probably better off with the 360 if you've cut out the PS3 from your choices already. :P
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: Callix September 08, 2008, 08:30:06 AM
What's your genre preference Blade?
RPG (duh), puzzle, RTS.
Xbox has more RTS, though they're almost never better on consoles than PC. The Wii probably has better puzzles, with all those quirky control systems. Mercury Meltdown Revolution has given me hours of fun, personally, and there are several other solid puzzle games for Wii. For out-and-out RPGs, Xbox has Mass Effect and Oblivion, while the Wii mainly has RPG-elements adventure games (such as Twilight Princess, which is seven different kinds of awesome IMO) and FPS w/elements (Metroid).

OTOH, I get a lot of play out of Brawl, even on my own. It's a really good fighter, and the story mode is actually interesting for once.
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: ninjarabbit September 08, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
I'm a Wii fanboy so you know my bias and I'll vote for the Wii.

For starters if you love lightgun shooters you'll love the Wii with games like Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicals, House of the Dead 2 and 3, Ghost Squad, and Medal of Honor: Heroes 2.

Second is Brawl, the game has a ton of replay value and has more fan service than any other game I've ever played.

Third is that the Wii is the only system with 100% backward compatability with it's previous system since it has the Gamecube hardware built in. The 360 isn't close to 100% because it's software emulation (and it requires a hard drive, somethingyou won't get with the $200 model) and the current retail model of the PS3 uses software emulation too so that isn't 100% either.

Fourth is the controls. It actually offers something new to the industry while the 360 and PS3 are basically giving you faster and prettier versions of the same games you've been playing for the last 10 years or so.

Fifth is that the Wii is going to have more exclusive games just by virtue of the fact that Nintendo is making games for it.

Sixth and finally the Wii is a great party system. The games are easy to get into and your non-gamer friends can easily play the games, plus it's a chick magnet.
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: X-Codes September 09, 2008, 05:31:52 AM
What's your genre preference Blade?
RPG (duh), puzzle, RTS.
My recommendation: PC & a DS.  Mass Effect, Starcraft 2, and damn near every puzzle game ever conceived by man.

On Topic: In all seriousness consoles just don't do RTS games very well, and virtually all the great Puzzle games are on the DS.  For RPGs, X-Box wins pretty much by virtue of having them (http://games.teamxbox.com/index/xbox-360/by-genre/18/) while the Wii pretty much doesn't (http://www.nintendo.com/games/guide#qhardware=Wii&qesrbRating=&qplay=&qgenre=rpg&qrelease=&panel=qgenre).

P.S. I, too, am a Wii fanboy, but the utter lack of quality RPGs outside of the Virtual Console makes me feel really sad.  It's a problem that Nintendo has had since the SNES (which was the best RPG console ever, with only the PS2 even making an argument that it's not), and it's one I really wish they'd deal with.  As it stands now, I'm liable to buy a 360 and get all their RPGs.
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: PhoenixInferno September 09, 2008, 05:33:30 AM
And Red Alert 3 is coming!
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: jcm September 16, 2008, 08:32:19 PM
My recommendation: PC & a DS.  Mass Effect, Starcraft 2, and damn near every puzzle game ever conceived by man.

Seconded. I had the major last generation console (xbox, ps2, gamecube) and I found myself playing my gba more than all 3 combined simply for the puzzle games. And now I've got a DS for the exact same reason, saved myself a couple thousand bucks and get games I'll actually play.
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: Bozwevial September 16, 2008, 09:18:42 PM
I like the Wii, but I may be prejudiced in that regard. Backwards compatability with Gamecube games (and download services for older games) is very attractive.

I just wish Nintendo hadn't blown off a large portion of their fanbase.
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: ninjarabbit September 16, 2008, 10:32:39 PM
I just wish Nintendo hadn't blown off a large portion of their fanbase.

I really have a problem with that statement.

Within less than 2 years Nintendo has made for the Wii a Zelda game, a true Mario game, a Metroid game, 2 Wario games (one of them being a 2-D platformer at that), a Super Smash Bros game, a Fire Emblem game, a Mario Kart game, and they're about to come out with an Animal Crossing game. How have they not tried to please their fanbase especially in comparison to the N64 and Gamecube days?

I think it's just butthurt 'hardcore' gamers upset that Nintendo isn't exclusively catering to them anymore and Nintendo is being very sucessful with their new strategy.
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: PhoenixInferno September 16, 2008, 10:40:37 PM
Only Geeks and "otaku" want extra storage on the Wii (http://www.vc-reviews.com/news/2008/06/only_geeks_and_otaku_want_extra_storage_on_the_wii)?  Is this what you're talking about Bozwevial?
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: Bozwevial September 16, 2008, 11:24:09 PM
I just wish Nintendo hadn't blown off a large portion of their fanbase.

I really have a problem with that statement.

Within less than 2 years Nintendo has made for the Wii a Zelda game, a true Mario game, a Metroid game, 2 Wario games (one of them being a 2-D platformer at that), a Super Smash Bros game, a Fire Emblem game, a Mario Kart game, and they're about to come out with an Animal Crossing game. How have they not tried to please their fanbase especially in comparison to the N64 and Gamecube days?

I think it's just butthurt 'hardcore' gamers upset that Nintendo isn't exclusively catering to them anymore and Nintendo is being very sucessful with their new strategy.

I may have been a little out of line there.

I'm referring to this: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/18/miyamoto-says-nintendo-not-targeting-core-with-e3/

I'm not going to pretend that Wii owners have it bad, but I'm inclined to think that they have to wait longer between the better releases than, say, the 360/PS3 owners. Couple that with the above announcement, and I'm not overly optimistic about the future. I'm perfectly fine with the casual gamers, but does Nintendo really have to make E3 exclusive to the casual gamers? Granted, E3 isn't turning out to be too wonderful nowadays.

I did just get TFU, though. We'll see if that's any good on the Wii.

PhoenixInferno: I hadn't seen that until now. That's probably more someone's offhand comment than anything else.

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: X-Codes September 17, 2008, 06:36:01 AM
As for the Geeks and Otaku, they're probably right.  This actually came up while I was in a GameStop, and one of the clerks there told me that the Wii basically has enough memory to download the entire library of games currently offered on the Virtual Console.  That was right around when WiiWare came out, though, so the figures may have changed slightly.  In that case, buy a damn SD card.  Don't say you can't afford it, either.

As for the "not speaking to hardcore gamers" part, I'd like to blame the "hardcore" gamers for that one.  Nintendo releases a game, the "hardcore" fanbase complains, loudly, that it's too easy or "dumbed down," and give Nintendo bad rep.  I'd ignore them, too (well, I'd actually call them a bunch of whiny 20-year olds that can't wean themselves off their mom's tits, but that would really be bad for business).

Besides, we all know that the hardcore gamers are still going to bend over for Nintendo once LucasArts releases a game for the Wii.
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: ninjarabbit September 17, 2008, 07:02:49 PM
E3 is a shell of it's former self and I can see why Nintendo didn't really feel like making any big announcements there. Nintendo's policy has always been to wait until they are close to releasing the game and happy with it before offically announcing the game so that's why you don't hear a whole lot about upcoming Nintendo games, that way you don't get the Too Humans and Duke Nukem 4Evers for Nintendo or you don't get heavily hyped games that end up dissapointing like Kane and Lynch and Assassin's Creed. Shiggy did announce Pikmin 3 after E3 so that'll probably be out in early 2009.

If anything the problem with the video game industry from 1995-2005 was that it catered too much to the hardcore gamer at the expense of the casual gamer. Then in 2005 Nintendo had huge hits with 'casual' games like Brain Age and Nintendogs, saw the light, and is enjoying the most sucess they've had since the NES days. If Nintendo listened to the 'hardcore' gamers they'd proably be in 3rd place again.
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: Sunic_Flames September 22, 2008, 02:50:07 PM
Does the Xbox actually offer anything unique and worthwhile? The original only came close with Halo which is also on the PC, so why bother? Did the new one actually think far enough ahead to provide incentive to sell systems?
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: X-Codes September 22, 2008, 05:11:37 PM
All the best-selling X-Box games always get ported to PCs about a year or two later.  The point to playing them on the X-Box is to play them when they first come out and with the controller.
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: Sunic_Flames September 22, 2008, 06:07:25 PM
All the best-selling X-Box games always get ported to PCs about a year or two later.  The point to playing them on the X-Box is to play them when they first come out and with the controller.

Except can't you connect those controllers to a computer via USB?
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: PhoenixInferno September 25, 2008, 10:28:30 PM
Even if X360 games wind up being ported to PC eventually, I'd still rather play it on the X360 because at least I don't have to check for system requirements.
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: X-Codes September 26, 2008, 07:35:27 AM
Except can't you connect those controllers to a computer via USB?
Haven't heard about that, honestly.
Even if X360 games wind up being ported to PC eventually, I'd still rather play it on the X360 because at least I don't have to check for system requirements.
This is true.  If you don't want to bother with system upgrades and aren't particularly interested in PC exclusives, the XBox "Pro" that was recently released for $300 is a good deal.
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: Kuroimaken October 28, 2008, 12:57:03 AM
Personally? I like the PS3.

Don't get me wrong. I got nothing against the XBOX (in spite of my hatred towards Microsoft) or the Wii (my first console, EVER, was a Nintendo).

As far as RPGs go, I'm inclined to believe the PS3 will have a better library. In fact, when it comes to this generation's console war, each major company placed their chips on one thing.

Microsoft: Online Playing. Multiplayer games are a major forte for the XBOX.
Nintendo: Interactivity. The Wii controller is just plain awesome, at the very least for what it's made (you MIGHT tire out if you're not a casual gamer, though. A friend of mine owns one, and he almost had to have surgery on his arm because he played his Wii too much).
Sony: the library, mostly. Why do you think they rushed ahead to get exclusivity on MGS4?
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: X-Codes October 28, 2008, 05:10:38 AM
Sony: the library, mostly. Why do you think they rushed ahead to get exclusivity on MGS4?
MGS4 is seriously the only good quality exclusive title for the PS3, and even then it's niche.

If by RPGs you mean Final Fantasy, FFXIII will come out on the 360.  If by RPGs you mean actual, quality RPGs, then the 360 already has a number of quality titles, some of which the PS3 didn't get.
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: PhoenixInferno October 28, 2008, 05:17:49 AM
If by RPGs you mean Final Fantasy, FFXIII will come out on the 360.  If by RPGs you mean actual, quality RPGs, then the 360 already has a number of quality titles, some of which the PS3 didn't get.
Eh...eh...

No.  Not REALLY.  Blue Dragon wasn't great.  I'm told Lost Odyssey wasn't that great, although I didn't play it myself.  Not sure what other JRPGs are coming out, but Mass Effect was great and Fallout 3 could be super-duper.  X360/PC exclusive.

EDIT: Oops, Fallout 3 does also come out on PS3.  Although one review describes that version as "shockingly inferior".
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: Kuroimaken October 28, 2008, 12:03:23 PM
MGS4 is seriously the only good quality exclusive title for the PS3, and even then it's niche.

If by RPGs you mean Final Fantasy, FFXIII will come out on the 360.  If by RPGs you mean actual, quality RPGs, then the 360 already has a number of quality titles, some of which the PS3 didn't get.

Niche? I think it's fun for anyone in the family over 16 (or anyone who just so happens to be a war movie buff).

As for what's coming in terms of RPGs: pretty much every Nippon Ichi title from here on is gonna be PS3-exclusive. That alone would give me serious bias towards the PS3, because Nippon Ichi rules. That might be just me, though.
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: Irthos Levethix October 28, 2008, 03:15:59 PM
What are JRPG's, Phoenix?  First I've come across that acronym.

I'm kinda interested in this discussion, as I'm thinking about getting a console finally.  Is it better to get the "Elite" Xbox, or get the "Pro" and spend the extra $100 on a game and a half?

If there is any ONE game to get on the 360 or PS3, what would it be, and why?  (I'm an RPG'er, but I like just about anything that'll keep me entertained for 20+ hours.)
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: PhoenixInferno October 28, 2008, 03:33:58 PM
What are JRPG's, Phoenix?  First I've come across that acronym.
Japanese RPGs - a dying genre.
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: Tshern October 28, 2008, 04:05:47 PM
Okay, I might amuse myself a bit and buy Wii by the end of the year, but I wonder if it is worth it. So what's your experience? I am a hardcore Nintendo fan, I still own two NES consoles, a SNES and 64, but never got a GameCube. So should I or should I not?
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: Darius Stronghand October 28, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
It depends on what you already have.

I never owned a system prior to the N64.  I picked up a Wii about a year ago, and now find myself playing a bunch of the older games, either via Virtual Console, or Gamecube remakes.  (I picked up the Megaman Anniversary collection, and am going through MM 1-8 right now.)  Truthfully, I use it more as a Virtual Console / Gamecube than I do for actual Wii games.  If you've got a healthy supply of working NES and SNES titles, and don't have many other titles you don't own, but would like to play, then it may not be worth it to you to snag a Wii.

Or maybe they'll finally make that one awesome swordfighting game, and put this argument to rest. 

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: Kuroimaken October 28, 2008, 05:41:29 PM
Okay, I might amuse myself a bit and buy Wii by the end of the year, but I wonder if it is worth it. So what's your experience? I am a hardcore Nintendo fan, I still own two NES consoles, a SNES and 64, but never got a GameCube. So should I or should I not?

If RPGs are your thing, then the Wii is probably not for you.

Japanese RPGs - a dying genre.

I don't agree with you there, PI. JRPG production is booming more than ever in Japan, they just don't get out half as much as you might expect.
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: Tshern October 28, 2008, 05:45:13 PM
SNES titles I am very, very low on since I sold most of my games at one point to get money for my computer and you know 20 year old electronics, they are not too reliable. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons of getting Wii rather than PS3 is access to the old, nostalgic games I played when I was a kid. I saw they had some nice old Sega Megadrive games like Sonic on Wii too, which makes me a happy man.

So what I am a looking at is Guitar Hero (for party playing, I personally suck at it), the nostalgic games, the newer Marios (Mario Kart included) and if the selection is good, I might try some new games as well. Worth it for a guy like me?

Kuroimaken: What do you mean? While I am not that into Zelda and Final Fantasy, you'd think there are other games for it too. Please elaborate.
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: ninjarabbit October 28, 2008, 05:52:20 PM
Okay, I might amuse myself a bit and buy Wii by the end of the year, but I wonder if it is worth it. So what's your experience? I am a hardcore Nintendo fan, I still own two NES consoles, a SNES and 64, but never got a GameCube. So should I or should I not?

The Wii will be a double treat for you if you've never owned a Gamecube since the Wii has 100% backwards compatability with Gamecube games.
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: Tshern October 28, 2008, 05:54:07 PM
No kidding? That'd be nice since my friend owns a good chunk of GC games and I know a few shops that sell used ones at an affordable price.
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: Risada October 28, 2008, 06:00:54 PM
I don't agree with you there, PI. JRPG production is booming more than ever in Japan, they just don't get out half as much as you might expect.

+1. Atlus is going to publish 2 JPRGS this year (Persona 4 is already out, and there's Raidou Kuzunoha vs Abaddon King till the end of the year).

.....I'm suspected to talk, since I was a FF fanboy and in less than a year I suddenly become an Atlus fanboy...

There's also some NIS games worth mentioning (Ar Tonelico)...

EDIT: but them all are for PS2....
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: Kuroimaken October 28, 2008, 07:13:51 PM
+1. Atlus is going to publish 2 JPRGS this year (Persona 4 is already out, and there's Raidou Kuzunoha vs Abaddon King till the end of the year).

.....I'm suspected to talk, since I was a FF fanboy and in less than a year I suddenly become an Atlus fanboy...

There's also some NIS games worth mentioning (Ar Tonelico)...

EDIT: but them all are for PS2....

Which theoretically wouldn't be a problem if Sony wasn't such a smartass.


Kuroimaken: What do you mean? While I am not that into Zelda and Final Fantasy, you'd think there are other games for it too. Please elaborate.

A good deal of the publishers that work on RPGs simply doesn't work with Nintendo. Not sure on Bandai/Namco (responsible for the Tales series), but I know for a fact Nippon Ichi isn't in their happy list. Square-Enix is like the Mother Harlot of game publishing, so as long as there's money in it for them, they'll do him/her/it.

Atlus is a bit of an enigma in that regard, but judging from their current investment on the PS3, I doubt they'd release stuff for the Wii as well. I just don't think the Wii is a console for hardcore gamers (or at least hardcore RPG fans).
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: PhoenixInferno October 29, 2008, 04:41:52 AM
If they don't come over to the states, then all the JRPGs they make and release in Japan don't mean jack to me.  The only one of those 3 I've heard of is Persona.
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: X-Codes October 29, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
NIS makes the Disgaea franchise, which is arguably their only quality title left simply because of the absurd metagaming humor in it.

The fact is, JRPGs ARE a dying breed because they're ho-hum.  There's no innovation, no creativity, no genuine quality.  The JRPG industry is booming in Japan because Japan has dozens of JRPG factories pumping out several metric tons of the manure every year.  None of these games ever come state-side because they know we'll see them for the shit it is and not bother with it.  We're too busy plaing Mass Effect, Oblivion, Diablo, Diablo knock-offs, Diablo knock-off knock-offs, the newest D&D-based RPG (which is almost always crap).

I wasn't talking about JRPGs when I was referring to 360 RPG titles, Phoenix.  I'm pretty much disdainful of any JRPG released this millennium.  To be completely honest, I'm pretty disdainful of a lot of other RPGs, too.  It's hard to go back to some of the crap of the west as well after you get into the kind of depth that old-school RPGs had.
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: Kuroimaken October 29, 2008, 01:36:59 PM
NIS makes the Disgaea franchise, which is arguably their only quality title left simply because of the absurd metagaming humor in it.

They've also been publishing several titles by Gust, including the Atelier Iris series, which is plain awesome.
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: ninjarabbit October 29, 2008, 06:28:52 PM
EGM had an article a few months back about the sad state of current Japanese developers and I kinda have to agree. With the exceptions of Nintendo, Konami, and Capcom there really hasn't been a whole lot coming out of Japan that's really been worthwhile.

JRPGs for example have been pretty stale for the last 15 years or so with the only differences being prettier graphics and more voicework. By comparison Western RPGs have been much more dynamic and interesting.
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: Kuroimaken October 29, 2008, 06:39:45 PM
I have to disagree. Though, granted, there aren't really that many titles nowadays that can get very close to classics such as Final Fantasy VI or Romancing Saga, they're not in such a rut IMO. Or maybe I just haven't played that many Western RPGs, but I haven't heard of many great ones either.
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: Bozwevial October 29, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
I quite liked TWEWY.
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: PhoenixInferno October 29, 2008, 08:26:45 PM
I have to disagree. Though, granted, there aren't really that many titles nowadays that can get very close to classics such as Final Fantasy VI or Romancing Saga, they're not in such a rut IMO. Or maybe I just haven't played that many Western RPGs, but I haven't heard of many great ones either.
Then you are being willfully ignorant.
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: Kuroimaken October 29, 2008, 09:03:09 PM
Then you are being willfully ignorant.
In which case, pointing it out further is a fruitless endeavor and I'll only learn when the truth really hits me on the face.

Or maybe not, who knows? Far as I know there's a pretty nice number of releases going off still, so that works for me.

I quite liked TWEWY.
I'm unfamiliar with that acronym...
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: Risada October 29, 2008, 10:14:21 PM
I quite liked TWEWY.
I'm unfamiliar with that acronym...

The world ends with you, a game for the DS by Squeenix...
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: Kuroimaken October 30, 2008, 12:02:23 AM
Square was never the same after the merge, for me. Radiata Stories excluded, they shoveled lots of fail our general way.
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: Risada October 30, 2008, 12:17:28 AM
Square was never the same after the merge, for me. Radiata Stories excluded, they shoveled lots of fail our general way.

But of course. Radiata Stories has Lenneth. That is enough to make the game win...
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: Kuroimaken October 30, 2008, 12:24:37 AM
But of course. Radiata Stories has Lenneth. That is enough to make the game win...

I'm not an adherent of the cameo theory. Soul Calibur 3 had KOS-MOS (in a way) and I still liked Guilty Gear better.
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: X-Codes October 30, 2008, 06:10:19 AM
Then you are being willfully ignorant.
In which case, pointing it out further is a fruitless endeavor and I'll only learn when the truth really hits me on the face.

Or maybe not, who knows? Far as I know there's a pretty nice number of releases going off still, so that works for me.
Dude... you post on a message board full of some of the hardest-core nerds the world has ever seen, and yet you do not know the awesomeness of Western RPGs that have come about in the past couple of years?  BioShock and Mass Effect are the most prominent from last year, and Oblivion was amazing a couple years ago (and still can be, given that it's got 100+ hours of play time in just the original game and more in the expansions).  I've heard good things about Fallout 3.  Fable II next year has a high probability of improving on the original, and Diablo III is on the horizon.  Then if you want to get into slightly older games you've got KotOR (but seriously, you MUST have played that already, right?).

I know it's not a lot, but there are a few absolutely amazing Western RPGs released every year.  The reason there aren't more is because everyone is looking at what Blizzard did with WoW and trying to make MMOs and whore themselves out.  Honestly, they're not all that bad, either.
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: Kuroimaken October 30, 2008, 12:51:11 PM
Dude... you post on a message board full of some of the hardest-core nerds the world has ever seen, and yet you do not know the awesomeness of Western RPGs that have come about in the past couple of years?  BioShock and Mass Effect are the most prominent from last year, and Oblivion was amazing a couple years ago (and still can be, given that it's got 100+ hours of play time in just the original game and more in the expansions).  I've heard good things about Fallout 3.  Fable II next year has a high probability of improving on the original, and Diablo III is on the horizon.  Then if you want to get into slightly older games you've got KotOR (but seriously, you MUST have played that already, right?).

I know it's not a lot, but there are a few absolutely amazing Western RPGs released every year.  The reason there aren't more is because everyone is looking at what Blizzard did with WoW and trying to make MMOs and whore themselves out.  Honestly, they're not all that bad, either.

There's a simple explanation for that. My PC ain't up to snuff for playing those. I never claimed that Western RPGs aren't awesome... just that I haven't played enough of them to consider them over JRPGs.
: Re: Game Console Showdown
: PhoenixInferno October 30, 2008, 09:41:42 PM
Let's not forget "classic" RPG gems like Fallout 1/2, Baldur's Gate I/II (and their expansions), and Planescape: Torment.
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: ObscureKitten October 30, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
Let's not forget "classic" RPG gems like Fallout 1/2, Baldur's Gate I/II (and their expansions), and Planescape: Torment.

Balder's gate was awesome, I still have it on my compy and still play it from time to time along with Wizardry 8 annnd Morrowind.
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: Fuuga October 30, 2008, 10:14:12 PM
Icewind Dale (The first one) was good too. Fallout 3 is great.

PI, question for you, you mentioned Fallout 1 and 2, do you consider Fallout Tactics to be part of the saga, or think it's a disgrace that shouldn't be mentioned as some other people? :P , I for one liked the game.
: Re: Game Console Showdown
: PhoenixInferno October 30, 2008, 11:29:04 PM
Its not a Role Playing game, so it doesn't count for the purposes of the current discussion.  But I played about half of it - good times.

Brotherhood of Steel, on the other hand...well, I shouldn't be hard on it - I never played it.
: Re: Game Console Showdown
: X-Codes October 31, 2008, 04:52:04 AM
Let's not forget "classic" RPG gems like Fallout 1/2, Baldur's Gate I/II (and their expansions), and Planescape: Torment.
I, personally, didn't like Baldur's Gate, and especially not BG II.  I played NWN, and honestly that's a good modder's game.  I've considered buying NWN II and expansions just to play the custom content online, because the SP mode behind these games was crap.

As for the list I rattled off earlier, all the games I mentioned save Diablo III are available on the XBox 360.
: Re: Game Console Showdown
: Bozwevial October 31, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
Let's not forget "classic" RPG gems like Fallout 1/2, Baldur's Gate I/II (and their expansions), and Planescape: Torment.

Yes, how could we forget Planescape? Amazing game.
: Re: Game Console Showdown
: ninjarabbit October 31, 2008, 05:52:02 PM
Let's not forget "classic" RPG gems like Fallout 1/2, Baldur's Gate I/II (and their expansions), and Planescape: Torment.

Balder's gate was awesome, I still have it on my compy and still play it from time to time along with Wizardry 8 annnd Morrowind.

What's funny about Wizardry is that it's a lot more popular in Japan than in the US despite being a Western RPG. In fact the one that came out on the PS2 started out as a fan-made game in Japan.